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| Author: | experament-u2 [ Tue Jan 05, 2010 1:11 am ] |
| Post subject: | NEW Q: vitara diff into grand vit, how to get rear axels in? |
i have i set of diffs from my old 88 vitara quick question would the ring and pinion gears fit into my 1.6 grand vitara diffs? NEW QUESTION: page 2 |
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| Author: | steak_knife [ Tue Jan 05, 2010 1:14 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: ring and pinion from vitara into rand vitara |
The whole center's should just bolt in.... |
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| Author: | experament-u2 [ Tue Jan 05, 2010 1:40 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: ring and pinion from vitara into rand vitara |
the old vitara diff (front) has 22 spline side gears and iv already tried swaping 26 spline ones from my gv into it but they are just a touch to big thats why i was looking at just the ring and pinion, or better just the ring gear |
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| Author: | steak_knife [ Tue Jan 05, 2010 2:24 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: ring and pinion from vitara into rand vitara |
experament-u2 wrote: the old vitara diff (front) has 22 spline side gears and iv already tried swaping 26 spline ones from my gv into it but they are just a touch to big thats why i was looking at just the ring and pinion, or better just the ring gear
Need both, can't just do 1. thay will swap across but the pinion will have to be shimmed & the backlash will need to be set to(need special tool's to do this), tombutt from here has just made a Cv using the 22 spline inner housing & the shaft off the car it's going into, you would have to change the passenger stub axle to. |
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| Author: | experament-u2 [ Tue Jan 05, 2010 2:28 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: ring and pinion from vitara into grand vitara |
i really dont like the idea of making up custom cv every time, i understand about the need to ajust the back lash and i have a mecanic mate who can do that for me but whats involved with shimming the pinion? and iv noticed the size difference in the ring gears between teh vit and gv would this matter if i swap them over or will ajusting the backlash fix that? |
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| Author: | atari4x4 [ Tue Jan 05, 2010 3:33 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: ring and pinion from vitara into grand vitara |
how many CV's have you broken so far? |
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| Author: | experament-u2 [ Tue Jan 05, 2010 3:57 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: ring and pinion from vitara into grand vitara |
no cvs yet mate i just when and had a look in my pile of bits from the old car witch the diffs came from and i found a stub shaft and the surviving shaft and cup from the drivers side im thinking now maby do the flange stub axel mod 
that way i can easyly remove cvs, only need to carry one spare. only problem would be getting it through rego so maby mixing cv would be just as easyer, with the shaft from the gv cv join to the inside setup (inside the cup on the drivers side) of a 22 spline cv? |
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| Author: | steak_knife [ Tue Jan 05, 2010 11:46 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: ring and pinion from vitara into grand vitara |
experament-u2 wrote: no cvs yet mate
i just when and had a look in my pile of bits from the old car witch the diffs came from and i found a stub shaft and the surviving shaft and cup from the drivers side im thinking now maby do the flange stub axel mod that way i can easyly remove cvs, only need to carry one spare. only problem would be getting it through rego so maby mixing cv would be just as easyer, with the shaft from the gv cv join to the inside setup (inside the cup on the drivers side) of a 22 spline cv? I want that shaft!! 
your part write, the part with the spline shoud be the only bit off a vit you use, I call that the cup, the race is the bit the ball's click into & the inner race is the bit that slide's onto the drive shaft. I'll try to find some pic's. |
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| Author: | steak_knife [ Tue Jan 05, 2010 11:51 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: ring and pinion from vitara into grand vitara |
Found one!!  
The red arrow point's to the "cup", spline is part of it. Green is the inner race, the race in this pic fell to bit's!
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| Author: | steak_knife [ Tue Jan 05, 2010 11:52 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: ring and pinion from vitara into grand vitara |
Shit pic 
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| Author: | tombutt [ Wed Jan 06, 2010 3:08 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: ring and pinion from vitara into grand vitara |
as steknig has said just change the cups overs its a simple easy job take a few minutes to do and ill agree i want that shaft just so its nice and easy to do cv's the drivers side one sucks |
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| Author: | steak_knife [ Wed Jan 06, 2010 3:14 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: ring and pinion from vitara into grand vitara |
I just want to copy it!!!! I'll send it back
It look's like what I am going to do, involves cutting up Cv's to do it on the cheap tho. |
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| Author: | tombutt [ Wed Jan 06, 2010 3:30 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: ring and pinion from vitara into grand vitara |
well when you get it going ive got cv's you can chop |
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| Author: | experament-u2 [ Wed Jan 06, 2010 4:27 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: ring and pinion from vitara into grand vitara |
steknig wrote: I just want to copy it!!!!
I'll send it back It look's like what I am going to do, involves cutting up Cv's to do it on the cheap tho. unfortunaly there steknig its not mine it was made by SIKID_01 from D4x4 for his old vitara, pm me if you want some more details thanks for the advice so far steknig, atari and tombutt you have all convinced me to run the 22 spline front in my gv and make a cusom shaft only thing i need now is a 22 spline cup. the one i have instead of having a cage and inner cage has teh slots for the 3 wheels set up. dose anyone have a spare 22 spline cup laying around that fits teh cage and inner cage? |
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| Author: | experament-u2 [ Fri Jan 08, 2010 3:46 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: EDIT: vitara diff into grand vitara, witch axel witch si |
i thought i woudl edit this post instead of starting a new thread, my 5.12 diffs are about to go in and i just relised the axels are a different length. i didnt even relise when i pulled them out so i dont remember which goes where? dose anybody know |
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| Author: | Fatzook [ Fri Jan 08, 2010 3:50 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: ring and pinion from vitara into grand vitara |
steknig wrote: I just want to copy it!!!!
I'll send it back It look's like what I am going to do, involves cutting up Cv's to do it on the cheap tho. If you do get hold of it, I can laser cut the plates and do the mod, as I have done this conversion with Toy CV's for an old ex-member of the NBS club GEAR. It worked great!! |
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| Author: | steak_knife [ Fri Jan 08, 2010 4:13 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: EDIT: vitara diff into grand vitara, witch axel witch si |
experament-u2 wrote: i thought i woudl edit this post instead of starting a new thread, my 5.12 diffs are about to go in and i just relised the axels are a different length. i didnt even relise when i pulled them out so i dont remember which goes where? dose anybody know
Front or rear?? |
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| Author: | steak_knife [ Fri Jan 08, 2010 4:14 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: ring and pinion from vitara into grand vitara |
Fatzook wrote: If you do get hold of it, I can laser cut the plates and do the mod, as I have done this conversion with Toy CV's for an old ex-member of the NBS club GEAR. It worked great!! We will talk then 
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| Author: | experament-u2 [ Fri Jan 08, 2010 12:26 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: EDIT: vitara diff into grand vitara, witch axel witch si |
rear steknig |
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| Author: | steak_knife [ Sat Jan 09, 2010 2:01 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: EDIT: vitara diff into grand vitara, witch axel witch si |
I can't remember, but I do know the hand brake cable point's to the front. I just got under my car & the difference must be in the offset of the hemisphere. I do have a rear center here some where, I have another look for it. |
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| Author: | experament-u2 [ Sat Jan 09, 2010 2:06 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: EDIT: vitara diff into grand vitara, witch axel witch si |
i thought about measuring the rear diff as well but i hit a speed bump trying to break the gasket seal on the carrier. iv tried putting a bit f pressure on it from bellow to break the seal but no luck. any tips? |
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| Author: | steak_knife [ Sat Jan 09, 2010 2:58 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: EDIT: vitara diff into grand vitara, witch axel witch si |
Put a jack under the diff. found mine, it look's to be the passenger side is the long one. |
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| Author: | experament-u2 [ Sat Jan 09, 2010 3:09 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: EDIT: vitara diff into grand vitara, witch axel witch si |
thanks mate i tried the jack but no luck, il give it another go, EDIT: just got it off  used the jack just needed a little extra persuasion
time to clean gasket and put my rear 5.12 in
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| Author: | steak_knife [ Sat Jan 09, 2010 3:35 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: EDIT: vitara diff into grand vitara, witch axel witch si |
experament-u2 wrote: thanks mate
i tried the jack but no luck, il give it another go, EDIT: just got it off used the jack just needed a little extra persuasiontime to clean gasket and put my rear 5.12 in I shouldn't of sold the one's I had 
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| Author: | experament-u2 [ Sat Jan 09, 2010 4:07 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: EDIT: vitara diff into grand vitara, witch axel witch si |
well im interested to see the difference to the stock geared diffs while running 30s. everyone keeps telling me how much better is it by the looks of it i wont get the 5.12 in tonight, im out of gasket glue. il havto grab some tomorrow after picking up my front 5.12 diff. im getting all excited now
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| Author: | experament-u2 [ Mon Jan 11, 2010 11:58 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: EDIT: vitara diff into grand vitara, witch axel witch si |
NEW QUESTION well i have a bit of a problem iv put my 5.12 diffs in and teh front diff is all in but im having trouble putting the rear axels in. i can get them to meash with the side gears but it dosent want to go any further even with a bit of loving from a hammer. what could be wrong? and how do i get them in? and a silly question dose anyone know the dimentions of the vitara front diff fill plug. i know its a 1.5 thread but whats size? my gran d vitara plug has a to course thread. |
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| Author: | steak_knife [ Tue Jan 12, 2010 12:19 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: NEW Q: vitara diff into grand vit, how to get rear axels |
I would like a pic or 2 if that's possible. The wheel bearing's can some time's need a lot of loving with a hammer (some think I do to) to seat them. Did you swap the ring & pinion's or just put the center in? Do the bearing's & axle's look like thay are lining up?? |
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| Author: | experament-u2 [ Tue Jan 12, 2010 12:27 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: NEW Q: vitara diff into grand vit, how to get rear axels |
unfortunatly im away from the car so no picture iv put the whole centers from teh vitara in. and yes the bearing,axel and backing plate (the 4 bolt plate infront of teh bearing) look like they are lined up with the rear diff housing |
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| Author: | steak_knife [ Tue Jan 12, 2010 1:03 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: NEW Q: vitara diff into grand vit, how to get rear axels |
experament-u2 wrote: unfortunatly im away from the car so no picture
iv put the whole centers from teh vitara in. and yes the bearing,axel and backing plate (the 4 bolt plate infront of teh bearing) look like they are lined up with the rear diff housing Did the bearing start to go in?? ANY shit or foreign object's around the bearing will stop it going in, may help to give it a Lil lube to ( was going to inset smart ass comment but couldn't be bothered typing it) as by design thay are a tight fit. I know people that have done this conversion with no hassles but miss alignment can't be ruled out, so shine a torch down the axle tube & see if the side gear's seem to be centered. |
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| Author: | experament-u2 [ Tue Jan 12, 2010 1:36 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: NEW Q: vitara diff into grand vit, how to get rear axels |
thanks steknig you have being a big help so far the axel meshes with the side gear because i can hear it turning the other side gear the bearing is stll about 10mm out from its seat. and the bearing seat is clean. when i get a chance after work il check with a torch see if everything is all right and no blockages. if im still haveing problems il try get some photo up when i get my car on the road i think il do a build up thread and cover all this for others, |
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