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atari4x4

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Joined: Mon Dec 11, 2006 10:30 pm Posts: 34843 Location: East Radelayed
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 Posted: Thu Sep 15, 2011 1:57 am |
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So I think my winters mud plugging efforts are starting to show up... I've got a seeping/leaking/dripping front crankshaft seal in my Vitara.
Does anyone know how hard a job is it to replace? I've never really had to put a spanner on the motor since I got it. It looks like there is a heap of crap that needs to come off to get to it or am I better off just farming it out to my Suzuki guy?
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Fatzook

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Joined: Sat Oct 27, 2007 11:30 pm Posts: 14977 Location: The Hills
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 Posted: Thu Sep 15, 2011 2:02 am |
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Farm it out.
Block is upside down.
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Fatzook

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Joined: Sat Oct 27, 2007 11:30 pm Posts: 14977 Location: The Hills
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 Posted: Thu Sep 15, 2011 2:04 am |
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Pic of motor front on.

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Fatzook

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Joined: Sat Oct 27, 2007 11:30 pm Posts: 14977 Location: The Hills
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 Posted: Thu Sep 15, 2011 2:06 am |
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So it looks like you have to pull all the ancillary belts off, the rocker cover, the pullys and idlers, the crank case, the timing chain and guide ( maybe) then the seal cover and maybe the tooth drive gear on the crank aswell.
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atari4x4

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Joined: Mon Dec 11, 2006 10:30 pm Posts: 34843 Location: East Radelayed
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 Posted: Thu Sep 15, 2011 2:14 am |
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fark 
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atari4x4

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Joined: Mon Dec 11, 2006 10:30 pm Posts: 34843 Location: East Radelayed
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 Posted: Thu Sep 15, 2011 2:21 am |
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looking at the FSM, it looks like it's just the timing chain cover crankshaft seal... might as well do the timing chain while its apart.
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royce

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Joined: Sun Jun 11, 2006 11:30 pm Posts: 17216 Location: Pluto
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WTF? does the seal not jsut push into teh housing behind the bottom pulley?
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atari4x4

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Joined: Mon Dec 11, 2006 10:30 pm Posts: 34843 Location: East Radelayed
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 Posted: Thu Sep 15, 2011 3:38 am |
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you're correct royce, bloody ripper!
looking at the FSM again, it does just push into the timing chain cover from the outside. (behind the pulley)
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steak_knife

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Joined: Fri May 22, 2009 11:30 pm Posts: 21335 Location: Smart Ass Island
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royce wrote: WTF? does the seal not jsut push into teh housing behind the bottom pulley?
The timing cover's do leak to, not a common problem tho.
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atari4x4

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Joined: Mon Dec 11, 2006 10:30 pm Posts: 34843 Location: East Radelayed
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 Posted: Thu Sep 15, 2011 8:01 am |
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i gave it a good clean up & it is coming from the behind the bottom pulley & it's getting spread by the engine fan all over the place once it reaches the edge of the block & sump... it's been seeping for a while but my skid plates stop the drops falling straight on the driveway for all to see. 
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steak_knife

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Joined: Fri May 22, 2009 11:30 pm Posts: 21335 Location: Smart Ass Island
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 Posted: Thu Sep 15, 2011 8:21 am |
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Pop the seal out, replace with a genuine one... 
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shabz

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Joined: Sun May 03, 2009 11:30 pm Posts: 646 Location: Melbourne
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 Posted: Thu Sep 15, 2011 8:27 am |
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atari i've done this on my GV....took about 3 hours and that included removing the radiator. No special tools or anything
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atari4x4

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 Posted: Thu Sep 15, 2011 8:32 am |
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shabz wrote: atari i've done this on my GV....took about 3 hours and that included removing the radiator. No special tools or anything
sweet 
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harvs

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When you get the seal out, inspect the machined surface on the crank for any damage all the way around. Sometimes some shit gets stuck in the seal and chews the crank out over time. Not very nice...
If it is munted, you may chose to do nothing about it and just chuck another seal in. But at least you'll know it's not likely to last long...
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atari4x4

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 Posted: Thu Sep 15, 2011 8:46 am |
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I've been thinking that it might not be that flash in there after the winter it's had it might need a speedy sleeving or something, I think I'm just going to drop if off to Mr Suzuki & him to fix it while I thrash one of their loan cars to death.
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harvs

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 Posted: Thu Sep 15, 2011 8:51 am |
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Yeah it's up to you, they do get old and rooted without stuffing the crank. In which case you'd save yourself a small fortune by doing it yourself.
Personally I'd give it a crack. If the crank sealing surface is rooted, just whack a new seal in for now then when it flogs out give it to suzi then.
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Joined: Wed Dec 08, 2010 7:16 am Posts: 941 Location: Shidoni!
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 Posted: Thu Sep 15, 2011 8:53 am |
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Gus you wouldn't by chance have a skidpan day coming up... say a day like this might tie in perfectly with the Silver Princess being in the shop and you being in a loan vehicle???
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atari4x4

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Joined: Mon Dec 11, 2006 10:30 pm Posts: 34843 Location: East Radelayed
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 Posted: Thu Sep 15, 2011 9:07 am |
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no, but if it's front wheel drive i will be going past macca's & grabbing a couple of trays.
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stocker
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 Posted: Thu Sep 15, 2011 9:10 am |
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make sure you stick some P Plates on... otherwise the authorities might get wise...
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atari4x4

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 Posted: Fri Sep 16, 2011 1:40 am |
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booked it in for monday morning... CBF'd dealing with it if it does need a speedy sleeve so close to our trip away. going to get him to stick on a new serpentine belt while he's got it as the one that's on there is cracked like a mofo.
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steak_knife

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Joined: Fri May 22, 2009 11:30 pm Posts: 21335 Location: Smart Ass Island
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 Posted: Fri Sep 16, 2011 5:34 am |
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shabz wrote: atari i've done this on my GV....took about 3 hours and that included removing the radiator. No special tools or anything
I've always left rad in, but I'm awesome.... 
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atari4x4

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steak_knife wrote: shabz wrote: atari i've done this on my GV....took about 3 hours and that included removing the radiator. No special tools or anything I've always left rad in, but I'm awesome.... 
thanks for offering, jump on a plane & i'll pick you up when you get here. 
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steak_knife

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Joined: Fri May 22, 2009 11:30 pm Posts: 21335 Location: Smart Ass Island
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 Posted: Fri Sep 16, 2011 6:49 am |
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atari4x4 wrote: steak_knife wrote: shabz wrote: atari i've done this on my GV....took about 3 hours and that included removing the radiator. No special tools or anything I've always left rad in, but I'm awesome....  thanks for offering, jump on a plane & i'll pick you up when you get here. 
 I want coke & hooker's!!!!! 
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atari4x4

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 Posted: Fri Sep 16, 2011 6:58 am |
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 sounds fair to me.... what flight are you catching?
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steak_knife

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Joined: Fri May 22, 2009 11:30 pm Posts: 21335 Location: Smart Ass Island
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atari4x4 wrote: Armsup sounds fair to me.... what flight are you catching?
 you have to book it..
& I want more coke if I have to touch your ball's... 
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atari4x4

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 Posted: Fri Sep 16, 2011 7:03 am |
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there is not enough coke in the world to compensate for that 
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steak_knife

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 Posted: Fri Sep 16, 2011 7:50 am |
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atari4x4 wrote: there is not enough coke in the world to compensate for that 
 Prude!!!!! 
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shabz

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 Posted: Fri Sep 16, 2011 9:37 am |
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atari4x4

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 Posted: Tue Sep 20, 2011 11:37 am |
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3hrs labour + parts & it's all good, there was a fair bit of grit in there from this winters swimming lesson.
probably could have done it at home but had a serious case of the CBF's
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