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Her-Toy-95

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Joined: Thu Sep 10, 2020 1:21 pm Posts: 7
Vehicle: 1989 Suzuki Sierra
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 Posted: Mon Sep 14, 2020 5:04 pm |
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Hey, Can anyone recommend a good place to purchase new steer link and whatever else. I’ve posted a photo outlining what I need with some horrible drawing efforts in what I actually mean. I was told I need to have the bushes replaced but after calling heaps of places around the Hunter Valley, I’m unsuccessful.
Any suggestions?
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Fatzook

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Joined: Sat Oct 27, 2007 11:30 pm Posts: 14977 Location: The Hills
Vehicle: Vitara, NGV
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 Posted: Mon Sep 14, 2020 10:58 pm |
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Tie rod & drag link is what you're after 
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rpmwrx

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Joined: Sat Jul 19, 2008 11:30 pm Posts: 1302 Location: Geelong
Vehicle: JK Jeep, Sierra & Raptor
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Coliso steering arms are a great option. They’re expensive, but awesome quality. viewtopic.php?f=15&t=15518It’s the last item in this thread which can be found in the AZ business directory.
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Gwagensteve
Joined: Thu Feb 26, 2009 10:30 pm Posts: 12997 Location: Melbourne
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There are no bushes in those items, so I understand why you're having trouble sourcing reaplacement parts.
The only tie rod end that's replaceable is on the driver's side of the tie rod. The tie rod ends on the drag link (the bit that goes from the steering box on the chassis to the axle) and the tie rod (that goes between the wheels) on the passenger side aren't replaceable
Replacement factory drag links and tie rods are available from suzuki specialists - they are available new from Maruti in India. They're also available on line.
Whilst the COLISO tie rod and drag link set is an excellent product, it's designed for extreme 4WD use, and as has been pointed out, is quite expensive.
It sounds like you're getting your car roadworthied and the mechanic has told you the tie rod ends require replacement. I'd check for myself or get a second opinion. Whilst tie rod ends do wear, it's not a common issue in sierras, and if the mechanic is telling you to change these because of steering play, they're unlikely to be the cause.
The most likely cause of play in the steering is an out-of-adjustment or worn steering box. This is many, many times more common than worn tie rod ends. It IS user adjustable (there is a procedure in the factory service manual) but it's also true that lots of steering boxes are now worn beyond their range of adjustment. Definitely check this before spending big on replacement parts that might well not be the problem.
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Her-Toy-95

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Joined: Thu Sep 10, 2020 1:21 pm Posts: 7
Vehicle: 1989 Suzuki Sierra
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 Posted: Tue Sep 15, 2020 8:07 am |
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The mechanic is a family member that’s been fixing 4wd’s for 15 years. I usually trust what he says etc but in this case I did mention the steer box. I personally don’t know how to adjust the steering box but I know my dad does 100% from owning previous Suzuki’s himself. I have a video of the “play” the links have and I’ve sent it to fellow enthusiasts with the same feedback that they are fairly shot (gwagonsteve, I could send you this if you’d like).
A new steering box through the “4WD Parts Store” is about $500. There is something suspect going on within the aftermarket steering wheel also with a horrible grinding noise which I’ve found is caused from some numb nut over tightening the nut that holds the steering wheel on and that’s caused literally everything to be squashed.
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Gwagensteve
Joined: Thu Feb 26, 2009 10:30 pm Posts: 12997 Location: Melbourne
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Her-Toy-95 wrote: The mechanic is a family member that’s been fixing 4wd’s for 15 years. I usually trust what he says etc but in this case I did mention the steer box. I personally don’t know how to adjust the steering box but I know my dad does 100% from owning previous Suzuki’s himself. I have a video of the “play” the links have and I’ve sent it to fellow enthusiasts with the same feedback that they are fairly shot (gwagonsteve, I could send you this if you’d like).
A new steering box through the “4WD Parts Store” is about $500. There is something suspect going on within the aftermarket steering wheel also with a horrible grinding noise which I’ve found is caused from some numb nut over tightening the nut that holds the steering wheel on and that’s caused literally everything to be squashed. No problem - if they need replacement they need replacement. Unless your Dad has a factory service manual, I can almost 100% guarantee he's not been adjusting the steering box tight enough. There is a procedure and it's much, much tighter than "when the play stops" which is how everyone without a factory service manual tightens them up, and wonders why the play comes back two weeks/months later. It's physically impossible to over tighten the nut on the steering wheel hub adapter - it's a tapered thread on the end of the steering shaft. it's most likely the adapter is fouling on the column shroud or the horn ring is fouling. This is because most steering wheel adapters for Sierras are poorly made and/or used across various models (basically all Suzukis use the same steering shaft spline so a hub adapter for a swift fits a vitara etc etc, but the column shroud might interfere.
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fordem
Joined: Mon Apr 19, 2010 11:30 pm Posts: 2655 Location: Georgetown, Guyana
Vehicle: JB420, APK416, A6G415, A6N415
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Gwagensteve wrote: It's physically impossible to over tighten the nut on the steering wheel hub adapter - it's a tapered thread on the end of the steering shaft. it's most likely the adapter is fouling on the column shroud or the horn ring is fouling. This is because most steering wheel adapters for Sierras are poorly made and/or used across various models (basically all Suzukis use the same steering shaft spline so a hub adapter for a swift fits a vitara etc etc, but the column shroud might interfere. There is no might about this - it WILL interfere. To use the Swift adapter on a Vitara the column shroud has to be cut back and opened up to clear the back edge of the adapter, new holes will also have to be drilled for the pins that drive the turn signal cancel cam - it's not difficult apart from the fact that you can't see what you're doing.
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Gwagensteve
Joined: Thu Feb 26, 2009 10:30 pm Posts: 12997 Location: Melbourne
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Yeah - it was just an example of mixing and matching wheels, hubs and shrouds - they all share the same spline. I've put cappuccino, vitara, 1.0 and 1.3 sierra and baleno wheels across 1.0/1.3/sierras and vitaras, along with a couple of hub adapters. The spline is the only constant, and I've definitely bought a Sierra adapter and had the indicator cancel pins in the wrong spot. My point was it's not because the nut has gone on too far.
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