[v.w.dave]

Ok so let me start off with I know nothing about LPG 90% of my mechanic life was in the states and they dont use LPG like we do here. I know most cars when on LPG they loose a little power and they loose a little off the mark get up and go.
The question I have is will it help as far as rock climbing goes??? What I mean is for the standard 1.3 carby to run on gas wouldnt it make it better on the lean? It being gas and all it wouldn't die out when the float runs dry or the ventura is on to much of an angle?
I just want to know if it is a good idea for a carby zook or not?
I know I have seen quite a few LPG stickers on W/T on the road so I know it is common to do. Let me know if you have it on yours.
How does it handle? How bad is the thottle response? How is it in the bush?

[Rockhopper]

Set up properly, the car won't lose any power. I had dual fuel in a 3 litre gq patrol I used to own and it ran as good on lpg as it did on petrol. As for angles, if your zook was running lpg, you won't have a problem with angles. The reason why some carbies don't like angles is because of the fuel splashing around the fuel bowl. Because lpg relies on engine vaccum to draw it into the combustion chambers, angles won't be a problem. The only drawback I see with fitting lpg to a zook is that if you get 400km's to a 40 litre tank of fuel, then expect to only get around 300km's to 40 litre tank of lpg. Unless you plan on putting the lpg tank in the car, you'll have to run straight gas only, which could be a problem on long drives. Some servo's don't have lpg in small towns like Oberon (as I found out one day when the fuel pump shit itself in the Nissan). Also, if you go straight gas, you'd be better off running a dedicated lpg carby, as what will happen to the standard one if you don't run it on petrol at least once a week, is all the rubbers and seals will dry out, and you'll end up with vacuum leaks and a car that runs like a hairy goat.

[11_evl]

car still runs upside down. at least till the oil runs out. thats the only thing that stops mine.
second best mod i have done!!!

only thing to watch is the airfilter. they have alot of an effect on an lpg car running wise

[PJ.zook]

Hmm might consider using the LPG kit i got sitting here for the zook. How much are tanks worth?

[93zook]

is there anywhere to buy an lpg kit? about how much do they cost??

cheers

[Fluffy]

pretty sure you can't just buy them. It's kind of restricted to lpg machanics. Ive seen a lot of mates do it.
best bet is rip one out of a similar car from the wreckers or woolies carpark and semi install it (mount tank, lines, mixer) then get the Lpg mech to finish and approve it.

[lump_a_charcoal]

Hijack -

I have an LPG setup in my garage, including 95L tank, condenser unit, and flashlube system.

The government rebate is still in effect as well I believe - It would cost apporx $500 to install the LPG, which would attract a $200 rebate from the govt...

Make me an offer!

[want33s]

Fluffy wrote:

pretty sure you can't just buy them...............

www.lowrangeoffroad.com

Lowrangeoffroad wrote:

Propane Injection Kit
Finally an alternative to troublesome carburetors and complicated fuel injection systems! These kits are designed to withstand the abuse of severe weather and extreme rock-crawling abuse.
Your answer to Sammy carb problems. The stock carb is too small to make good power and even though the aftermarket carbs make more power, there have flat spots, poor low-end drivability, and they do not take the angles. This kit is the best of both worlds: it has the power of an aftermarket carb and excellent low-end power. Depending on how much power you need to make, this could eliminate the need to swap the E.F.I. 16 valve, which is a major project and huge expense. Kit comes with all necessary parts needed for the install and one tank bracket. All you need is a propane tank.

Propane is a by-product of the refining process of natural gas and crude oil. About 3% of a barrel of oil becomes propane. Propane boils at -44 degrees Fahrenheit; when it is vaporized, it becomes a gas again. Because it vaporizes at such a low temperature, it mixes easily with air. Therefore, it doesn't require a high temperature (over 400 degrees Fahrenheit for gasoline) for it to atomize. This improves cold starts, emissions, and driveability. Propane is a stable fuel; it doesn't go bad if you don't use it!
Since propane has such a low carbon content, motor oil never gets dirty which increases engine life. The oil does still need to be changed, though not as often. Spark plug life is dramatically extended. Also, you cannot "flood" a propane engine. When a gasoline engine "floods," raw fuel enters the cylinders, washing past the rings and into the oil, also wetting the plugs. Propane carburetion automatically compensates for altitude and climate changes, saving carb re-jetting and computer re-learn.
Since propane is under pressure, there are no fuel pumps, no float bowl, or needle and seat. Another plus is the high octane rating of propane between 100 and 110. This means that if you are turbo-charging or supercharging, it is the ideal fuel.
The propane system is sealed to the elements so that even complete submersion will not allow water into the fuel system.
Propane is available throughout the world. It is all the same fuel and the fittings are standardized. Your local propane dealer will usually cut you a break when buying motor fuel.

Some more benifits include: Burns clean, Requires no maintenance, Is easy to install, Is very safe, Is affordable, No wiring except the on/off solenoid, Propane is not harmful to soil or water, Comes with a one year warranty, Full tech support, Runs on any angle, No electronics or fuel pumps, Removable tanks for easy refilling, Very tolerant to stalling (will not stall unless you stall it), Restarts instantly after a stall, Complete kits, except the tank itself. (about $140-$155 for a new forklift cylinder).


Kit
Price: US$690.00


Extra Tank Bracket
Price: US$85.00

Lowrange do the kit above but to source one locally I'd try a forklift wrecker.

[Fluffy]

I stand corrected..
I remember trying to order parts tho a while back and the reason for not selling them to me was I was not an authorized repairer

[weaves]

I'd be finding out where any forklift mobs buy their setups. as they all use the brackets and old carby engines. i assume most of their setups would be universal.

weaves

[lump_a_charcoal]

Is propane the same as LPG?

I have a feeling that forklift setups are not legal for road use, can;t say for sure, but it is just something I think I remembered...

[weaves]

i see lots of road registered gas forklifts driving around the industrial estate here. But they have different rules i guess.

i was thinking for the convenience of being able to just change bottles if your at a comp or mid track.

[lump_a_charcoal]

THey are registered as an implement, yeah different regs for them.

[royce]

you arent supposed to work on or install gas on a registered car unless you have a ticket for it, buying parts is the same, Customs might knock that kit on the head and getting bottles might be hard

works good though, gas is a great fuel.

[v.w.dave]

Most insurance people will not cover a car on propane. Its scary shit. Yes its very cheap to run and you can fill it up at your house but I would never be in a car running on it. VERY SCARY SHIT.... BIG BIG BANG its very unstable being shook up. They tested it out back in the states ummm I think like 10 years ago and after a few fireballs going down the road they banned them on road cars and trucks.

[v.w.dave]

Its ok on forklifts and stuff like that but yahhh no go on cars.... People do it but yahh not me...

[want33s]

LPG is propane....... with a small amount of butane added.

http://www.lpgaustralia.com.au/index.ph ... &Itemid=53

[v.w.dave]

want33s wrote:

LPG is propane....... with a small amount of butane added.

http://www.lpgaustralia.com.au/index.ph ... &Itemid=53

Good read.. hmm wellas I said it wa a while ago but I am sure you can have LPG but not the other on the roads in the states.

[lump_a_charcoal]

LPG is liquefied propane.

[royce]

Liquified Petroleum Gas

lot of rural areas teh car LPG will be the same (higher grade) Propane used for BBQ's and so on

actually I am sure we have had the argument before

[steak_knife]

royce wrote:

you arent supposed to work on or install gas on a registered car unless you have a ticket for it, buying parts is the same, Customs might knock that kit on the head and getting bottles might be hard

works good though, gas is a great fuel.

That's a forklift bottle, I used to test em.

Agree with everything else

[Rockhopper]

If you're looking for gas parts or systems there is Apollo gas in Giraween or M.E.D in Villawood (both Sydney suburbs). You could also buy parts from aftermarket forklift shops such as T.V.H or E.M.C. There are branches in all states. The main differance between forklift lpg installations and car installations is that on a car, a lock off valve is required both on the gas tank and at the convertor, and on a forklift the lock off is usually just at the convertor. Other than that, most of the regs are the same.

[TASSIETOYUKI]

Yep, they definitely changed the law so you can not use removable bottles on the street anymore on/in a car. So for street use the forklift tank is out..