[vitagra]

Hi Everyone,

I have a manual 1990 vit and have bought trail tough transfer gears. I've personally done all modifications so far, but coz they cost me about 1000 bucks, I don't want to wreck em.

How much should it cost for me to get someone install these bad boys? How many hours?

Any recommendations in Melbourne area?

Shannon

[your_mum]

have you received the gears?

Just asking 'cos a a mate has been waiting since november or something.

[vitagra]

Yes they are sitting in the back seat of the VIT at the moment. Depreciating... They are heavy and nice...

[rob_macca67]

Mate.....

With yours being a '91 Vitara (I assume original T'fer/G'box) the Reduction gear won't fit into your T'fer case..... You will need to find a later model Transfer Case to install your Reduction Gears into.
Been looking into this for a little while and the people I've spoken to have told me all the same thing. You will need a transfer out of a '95 model onwards (I think)

[vitagra]

Holy crap - I did not know that. I'm hitting google now. I have 4.24 transfer gears from trail tough...

[joeblow]

rob_macca67 wrote:

Mate.....

With yours being a '91 Vitara (I assume original T'fer/G'box) the Reduction gear won't fit into your T'fer case..... You will need to find a later model Transfer Case to install your Reduction Gears into.
Been looking into this for a little while and the people I've spoken to have told me all the same thing. You will need a transfer out of a '95 model onwards (I think)

91 vit will be fine, it even states that in the web page.

if you want an easy install, bring the gears over to me, i will fit it into one of the dozens of t/cases i have here, then you take it home and pull you're old one out and fit this one right up....then you bring me you're old one as a change over.........pm me for price.

[vitagra]

All of the sites say they suit 91 to 98, I'll give it to the mechanic and see what happens. I'll be sure to let you know

[rob_macca67]

joeblow wrote:

rob_macca67 wrote:

Mate.....

With yours being a '91 Vitara (I assume original T'fer/G'box) the Reduction gear won't fit into your T'fer case..... You will need to find a later model Transfer Case to install your Reduction Gears into.
Been looking into this for a little while and the people I've spoken to have told me all the same thing. You will need a transfer out of a '95 model onwards (I think)

91 vit will be fine, it even states that in the web page.

if you want an easy install, bring the gears over to me, i will fit it into one of the dozens of t/cases i have here, then you take it home and pull you're old one out and fit this one right up....then you bring me you're old one as a change over.........pm me for price.

I know the main gear is a different length and that's why u need a later model t'fer case but if JoeBlow has plenty lying around then u will probably be right.....

This has been done on the NBS forum by quite a few people (Hizook / SP1086) & they will tell u the same thing. I've even measured the length & I think from memory there's about approx 5>9mm difference in length.

The difference in the T'fer cases can't be seen from the outside, only from the inside. They can easily be swapped/exchanged over though.

rob

[vitagra]

Thanks for the info Rob. I'm going to take advantage of Joe's services - so I'm confident that it'll be done right.

I can't wait to use them in the forest!

[rob_macca67]

vitagra wrote:

Thanks for the info Rob. I'm going to take advantage of Joe's services - so I'm confident that it'll be done right.

I can't wait to use them in the forest!

No worries...... You do realise how low they will be ??? Here's some examples of the difference in gearing / speed when running the normal 5spd Manual Box & running 235/75/15 tyres as follows:

Current Gearing With Reduction Gears
(RPM/Speed in Low Range) (RPM/Speed in Low Range)

3000rpm / 1st Gear = 12kms/hr 3000rpm / 1st Gear = 5kms/hr
3000rpm / 2nd Gear = 23kms/hr 3000rpm / 2nd Gear = 10kms/hr
3000rpm / 3rd Gear = 32kms/hr 3000rpm / 3rd Gear = 14kms/hr
3000rpm / 4th Gear = 45kms/hr 3000rpm / 4th Gear = 19kms/hr
3000rpm / 5th Gear = 52kms/hr 3000rpm / 5th Gear = 22kms/hr
3000rpm / Rev Gear = 12kms/hr 3000rpm / Rev Gear = 5kms/hr

From the above info u can see that 5th Gear LR with Reduction Gears installed will be similar in speed to driving around now in 1st LR with your current gearing.
This is no real problem depending on what sort of driving u plan to do (ie Beach driving will be a PITA if u can't hold it in High Range, etc) For slow type of 4x4ing (Rocks/up & down hills) it will be great but other than that it will req u stopping more often to change it from Low to High).

I've attached a excel spreadsheet for u to experiment with so u will know a little bit more in what to expect.....

(this is only my opinion & I guess others will tell u a completely different story)

hope it helps
(PS: Once you have done the conversion, I'd like to know what u think... PM if u can)

[joeblow]

who does beach driving in high range anyway?

[Saam]

ME !

cause you can go 80 on our local beach

[JrZook]

gee 80!! Your game! One mistake and its roll over city!!

Yea your gonna love the low range gears! One of me mates vit had some fitted with a rear locker, went really well.

[Fatzook]

Saam wrote:

ME !

cause you can go 80 on our local beach

ME TOO!

I've had the ute well over 100 on the beach Not saying which beach tho

[rob_macca67]

joeblow wrote:

who does beach driving in high range anyway?

did u mean to say Low Range or High Range ???

With Reduction gears in the Vitara & driving in Low range up here in Qld, it would take u all day to get to where your driving to "on the beach going that slow driving in 5th LR" + use a tank full of petrol.....

I thought most people drive the beaches (up here QLD) in High Range... but I could be wrong....

[atari4x4]

JrZook wrote:

gee 80!! Your game! One mistake and its roll over city!!

Yea your gonna love the low range gears! One of me mates vit had some fitted with a rear locker, went really well.

http://www.auszookers.com/index.php?nam ... pic&t=6402

sorry saam

[Joe]

atari4x4 wrote:

JrZook wrote:

gee 80!! Your game! One mistake and its roll over city!!

Yea your gonna love the low range gears! One of me mates vit had some fitted with a rear locker, went really well.

http://www.auszookers.com/index.php?nam ... pic&t=6402

sorry saam

haha i was gunna post that up

[zuk94]

rob_macca67 wrote:

joeblow wrote:

rob_macca67 wrote:

Mate.....

With yours being a '91 Vitara (I assume original T'fer/G'box) the Reduction gear won't fit into your T'fer case..... You will need to find a later model Transfer Case to install your Reduction Gears into.
Been looking into this for a little while and the people I've spoken to have told me all the same thing. You will need a transfer out of a '95 model onwards (I think)

91 vit will be fine, it even states that in the web page.
if you want an easy install, bring the gears over to me, i will fit it into one of the dozens of t/cases i have here, then you take it home and pull you're old one out and fit this one right up....then you bring me you're old one as a change over.........pm me for price.

I know the main gear is a different length and that's why u need a later model t'fer case but if JoeBlow has plenty lying around then u will probably be right.....

This has been done on the NBS forum by quite a few people (Hizook / SP1086) & they will tell u the same thing. I've even measured the length & I think from memory there's about approx 5>9mm difference in length.

The difference in the T'fer cases can't be seen from the outside, only from the inside. They can easily be swapped/exchanged over though.

rob

Can anyone suggest why we have 2 opinions on this.

[vitagra]

My VIT is for recreational driving only, and at this stage is being used on rocks and mud. That is some Amazing reduction!! Thanks for the spreadsheet, I'm looking into it now!

Looks like I need to buy bigger simex's to get the gearing right (I'm a half glass full kinda guy!).

[joeblow]

ok....shannons gears were intalled today. the gears are the same length as the stock ones. the only concern i had was machining some of the case to fit the larger diameter. there was no difference in gear length, and the t/cases i have are mostly from early models (early efi imports).



the king rich head tilted at 20° to mill the case.


i needed a minimum 7mm from the bearing journal.


rear case was assembled first, then the front section went on. was easier this way.


clearance needed.


all done and turns freely

[atari4x4]

sweet work once again joe

let us know what the gearing is like!

[shandy92]

sorry if this was already said but didnt see it. are these the only reduction gears available (for pre 97) or is there other available? unless someone does diff gears?

sorry for the hijack.

Mitch

[steak_knife]

atari4x4 wrote:

sweet work once again joe

let us know what the gearing is like!

X2, you rock &/or roll Joe!!!!

[vitagra]

Lucky I didn't give to the mechanic down the road hey!!! The guy down the road probably does not own a flux capacitor like the one in the photos

It's totally refreshing to get solutions - not problems!

Road test reports will be posted once the box is in the car.

[Joe]

vitagra wrote:

Lucky I didn't give to the mechanic down the road hey!!! The guy down the road probably does not own a flux capacitor like the one in the photos

It's totally refreshing to get solutions - not problems!

Road test reports will be posted once the box is in the car.

How long will that be???

[vitagra]

I guess the pressure is on me to get the old xfer case out and get it out to Joe... Then put the new one in... Maybe this weekend? I might be doing some late nights in the shed.