[5ierra]

Jccck wrote:

LAY80N wrote:

Just a question, not having a go at you. But have you driven a dual locked rig much?
You are more likely to have wheel stand problems with super flexy but uncontrolled suspension than a dual locked rig with average flex. Lockers (and gearing in the case of a zook) enable you to slowly crawl places without needing to give it a bootful. meaning that big wheelstands and the like are much less likely. You may lift wheels but it will be smooth and controlled. But thanks to the lockers drive wont be lost, where as with big flex even though you may have a wheel drooped out and touching the ground, there will be no weight on it. Without any mass pushing down there will be little traction and you will spin that wheel and lose drive from that axle. Again im not having a go, just wondering why you dont like lockers.

Layto....

I've just never liked a 4x4 that was locked simply because it's the best value capability modification you can do.
Might as well punch in the cheat codes to offroading.
My 4x4 friends drive anything from stock LWB Vitaras to Exo Caged Twin Locked GQ Utes on 38.5" Creepys
I see some of the places the unlocked 4x4s can get, with the help of 35s and flex.. It's quite amazing where you can go with a good line and a helpful spotter to guide you

I can't drive everything those unlocked guys on 35s drive.. And i'd love to.
And from what i see, Lockers aren't everything.. Sure the locked up trucks make it a little easier, but at the end of the day even they are limited by flex and wheel traction

I'm not totally against lockers, i'm just not sure they're the right move at the moment.
And if i did buy them, i would get those autolockers front and rear (At the same time)
No need to relearn how to drive twice lol.

People will say get Airlockers.. But seriously, hand me your VISA and i'd be glad to.
Can't justify spending such a rediculous amount of money on something that will only help me on maybe 1/4th of the tracks i explore with friends

Thanks Layto, do you have any comments regarding the shackle angle? Diff movement? Bumpstops etc?
Was hoping you and Gwagen might have some advice

One of the few times i'll agree with Jccck.

Lockers take the fun out of it... i've seen so many people, especially those who are new to wheeling jump into twin locked cars and never learn how to drive "properly" because as soon as they flex out or lose traction, they hit the switch rather then attempting a new line... I think you would be suprised just how many people on here share the same opinion...

I wont be getting lockers for a good while, for the simple fact, that while i do drive stupid shit, its still not at a level that cant be driven unlocked. I wont get lockers until i get to a point where i'm going out and the only place i can go unlocked is off the trailer.

[tanshi]

I'll show you some stuff out at the springs John, you will wish you had lockers

[steak_knife]

tanshi wrote:

I'll show you some stuff out at the springs John, you will wish you had lockers

say's the man with LSD...

[atari4x4]

Jccck wrote:

I'm not totally against lockers, i'm just not sure they're the right move at the moment.
And if i did buy them, i would get those autolockers front and rear (At the same time)
No need to relearn how to drive twice lol.

People will say get Airlockers.. But seriously, hand me your VISA and i'd be glad to.
Can't justify spending such a rediculous amount of money on something that will only help me on maybe 1/4th of the tracks i explore with friends

I thought you were earning mega bucks? Whats a couple grand dropped on air lockers?

[tanshi]

steak_knife wrote:

tanshi wrote:

I'll show you some stuff out at the springs John, you will wish you had lockers

say's the man with LSD...

i wont be driving said tracks i destroyed an airlocker last time i wasup there

[5ierra]

tanshi wrote:

steak_knife wrote:

tanshi wrote:

I'll show you some stuff out at the springs John, you will wish you had lockers

say's the man with LSD...

i wont be driving said tracks i destroyed an airlocker last time i wasup there

On that note, how did the LSD go on the weekend?

[Brett]

i have done a few ruf set ups now on extended and stock shackles. pm me if you want and i'll help if i can.

where in newy are you at?

[Red89]

The flex is good, Im not sure you will get much more out of it with bumpstops as it looks with the body on that angle, the bushes might be maxed out and restricting you and making the drivers side tyre lift already.

These pics might help explain the side loading situation.

[Jccck]

5ierra wrote:

I wont get lockers until i get to a point where i'm going out and the only place i can go unlocked is off the trailer.

I like this attitude alot.

atari4x4 wrote:

I thought you were earning mega bucks? Whats a couple grand dropped on air lockers?

Not enough to just throw away that much $ on something i don't want yet!

Brett wrote:

i have done a few ruf set ups now on extended and stock shackles. pm me if you want and i'll help if i can.

where in newy are you at?

I'm actually out near Nelson Bay, so it's another 25mins north of Newwy
I need to move the spring hangers back about an inch or so.. I'm wasting like 15 degrees of downtravel because the shackle angle is too flat at rest.
Easy fix i hope
Rear is showing some problems, might have to revert to the 2" ext shackle.. And redrill/move the spring hanger to suit
Rear is going up fine, but because of the spring length its got a much larger radius on it than the fronts.. So i need a flatter shackle angle to compensate for it not flattening as well as the front
I think this is right?

Red89 wrote:

The flex is good, Im not sure you will get much more out of it with bumpstops as it looks with the body on that angle, the bushes might be maxed out and restricting you and making the drivers side tyre lift already.

Thanks, i think alot of people here are forgetting it's just a RUF.. With 2" springs, not like i'm 3linking the front or anything
And that pic definantly clears up the side pressure thing

You are probably right on the bushes, i did throw a scissor jack inbetween the axle and chassis.. Spread it quite alot more but the shackle wouldn't get past vertical without me having to put some strain on the suspension.. Bushes definantly maxxed

Also what's with your front shackle? Is that to prevent it from inverting?

[Red89]

Jccck wrote:

Also what's with your front shackle? Is that to prevent it from inverting?

Yer, home made anti inversion shackles.

[Jccck]

Red89 wrote:

Jccck wrote:

Also what's with your front shackle? Is that to prevent it from inverting?

Yer, home made anti inversion shackles.

Awesome, i might just do that too!

[dono1]

Good thread apart from everyone havin a whinge at someone trying something different! I will be watching how this unfolds as i was going to do a RUF and put some MQ leaves I have lying around in the rear plus shock hoops, inverted rears etc etc.

[Fatzook]

dono1 wrote:

Good thread apart from everyone havin a whinge at someone trying something different! I will be watching how this unfolds as i was going to do a RUF and put some MQ leaves I have lying around in the rear plus shock hoops, inverted rears etc etc.

Its not different. Its been done plenty of times.

[Chop]

dono1 wrote:

Good thread apart from everyone havin a whinge at someone trying something different! I will be watching how this unfolds as i was going to do a RUF and put some MQ leaves I have lying around in the rear plus shock hoops, inverted rears etc etc.

Hey you wouldnt be related to jccck by any chance?

[BlueSuzy]

How did i miss this thread?

[5ierra]

dono1 wrote:

Good thread apart from everyone havin a whinge at someone trying something different! I will be watching how this unfolds as i was going to do a RUF and put some MQ leaves I have lying around in the rear plus shock hoops, inverted rears etc etc.

You're going to put a car that weights 900Kg on springs for a car that weighs 2.5t

Have fun with that one mate...

[appsie]

wasnt Dee's sierra soft top on ruf and then mq fronts in the rear with a few mods??

if so have a look at the pics of it both on the forklift and out on the tracks.seemed to work well i reckon and if im wrong then

and a mq shorty wont way 2.5t anyway
have fun mate

[tanshi]

i had MQ springs in the back of mine for a few weeks,

zero flex and a crap ride.

[dono1]

5ierra wrote:

You're going to put a car that weights 900Kg on springs for a car that weighs 2.5t

Have fun with that one mate...

I'm not dumb enough to run the whole spring pack! Only the maon leaf with one or two sierra leaves to stop axel wrap.