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christover1

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Joined: Tue Jul 15, 2008 11:30 pm Posts: 8203 Location: Melbourne
Vehicle: Pajero 91 NH 3.0 SWB
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 Posted: Sun Mar 13, 2011 7:25 am |
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I control my rear locker from the drivers seat, with my right foot
And it could be stretched to say it is not always locked,
therefore its part time, so sort of legal lol 
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gregdixon

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Joined: Sun Dec 28, 2008 10:30 pm Posts: 1017 Location: Perth
Vehicle: 2004 SQ625 GV
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I guess lsd's are in the same boat as an auto locker as they are esentially the same. LSD's stills locks the two axles together under load and cannot be controlled from the drivers seat unless by the throttle.
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jdk81
Joined: Sat Jul 18, 2009 11:30 pm Posts: 2372 Location: Ballarat, VIC
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I put a lockright in the rear of mine 45,000 kms ago.
The axle splines were twisted before it went in (car had done 100,000 kms), and axle splines are still the same. After install I haven't touched it, still works a treat.
Off road it works, in carparks it clicks sometimes clunks, and sometimes it will make a crack sound (usually if you pull up at a set of lights and turn slightly while stopping, when you take off you get the crack sound).
Biggest concerns in the rear of a DD are, tyre pressure, tyre size and wear make dramatic differences. Round abouts will eat you if not careful. It can make the rear kick out a bit when you change gears.
Parking isn't an issue, just sounds bad.
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crewsy

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Joined: Wed Sep 29, 2010 12:41 pm Posts: 579 Location: Perth
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definitely put the lockwrong in the rear mate.. having it in the front will be a pain in the ass to steer when you lock the hubs in. I've got a detroit in the rear and its fine around town.
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Crunched
Joined: Fri Mar 05, 2010 10:30 pm Posts: 684 Location: Sth Bris
Vehicle: Sierra Utey!
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got_bar_work wrote: I would put it in the front Sierras with rear lockers only are a pain in the ass off road. The rear tries to overtake the front all the time . Put it in the front and weld the rear till u get ur airlocker
What??
You say, sierras with autolockers in the rear are a pain in the ass, but then go on to say put it in the front and weld the rear?
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matfan

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Joined: Sat May 29, 2010 4:27 pm Posts: 935 Location: Paraguay
Vehicle: WT Tinny, NT lwb, 1L lwb
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 Posted: Mon Mar 14, 2011 5:27 am |
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I currently have a lockrite in the front of my swb. The traction is great but the steering is BLOODY heavy. If you do go down that path make sure you keep your thumbs outside the steering wheel otherwise she'll try to rip them off. I find that I'm attemting a lot of tracks in 2wd just so I dont have to fight the steering wheel.
My LWB has a locked rear and apart from chirping in carparks, it's fine to drive.
My recommendation is to whack it in the back or not at all
_________________ JrZook - Mine only hangs 2.5".
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3cyl
Joined: Tue Jan 29, 2008 10:30 pm Posts: 2054 Location: Ipswich
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crewsy wrote: definitely put the lockwrong in the rear mate.. having it in the front will be a pain in the ass to steer when you lock the hubs in. I've got a detroit in the rear and its fine around town.
Mine steers fine in 2wd with the hubs locked. As said, only a problem when trying to go fast in 4wd. Does make steering heavier any time in 4wd. Two choices, harden up and live with it or get airlockers. If it was mine I'd put air in front. Your money, your decision.
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Brenno
Joined: Thu Apr 22, 2010 11:30 pm Posts: 996 Location: Hobart
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Moph wrote: Don't think it's been mentioned yet - auto locker in rear is not road legal. Front is fine. It's not something that gets picked up on often, but it's part of the NCOP. VSB14 Section LB (NCOP4) Transmission 2.3 wrote: The differential must not be locked either by the use of spools or welding to prevent any difference in speed between the wheels on any axle. A proprietary part-time differential locking device may be utilised, provided that the driver can control it from the normal seating position. Not sure that VSB is enforceable in all states - definitely is here in WA though. Just for consideration 
Thats weird, because I have had mine approved (in principle) by transport and the engineer. It think because it disengages itself it is ok.
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shane1992

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Joined: Tue Jun 08, 2010 10:09 am Posts: 782 Location: Wollongong
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 Posted: Tue Mar 15, 2011 3:31 am |
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Wow, thanks for all the opinions and reasons guys! much appreciated!!
Im gunna chuck it in the back, 
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matfan

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Joined: Sat May 29, 2010 4:27 pm Posts: 935 Location: Paraguay
Vehicle: WT Tinny, NT lwb, 1L lwb
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Good choice!
_________________ JrZook - Mine only hangs 2.5".
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shane1992

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Joined: Tue Jun 08, 2010 10:09 am Posts: 782 Location: Wollongong
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matfan wrote: Good choice!

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steve

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Joined: Sun Jun 11, 2006 11:30 pm Posts: 7681 Location: Brisbane
Vehicle: 75 Cruiser
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If you find it hard to steer with a front locker, it means both your front wheels are on the ground, which means the track isn't hard enough 
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got_bar_work
Joined: Sat May 15, 2010 8:30 pm Posts: 2214 Location: Brisbane
Vehicle: SQ625
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 Posted: Tue Mar 15, 2011 5:00 am |
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Any time I have ever been out with a Sierra with any type of locker in the rear ONLY it has been a pita. With out the front locked aswell the rear tries to overtake the front when ever the front starts to slip which usually ends up with the car in a bad situation.
This is just wat I have observed and all I say is it's both or none.
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christover1

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Joined: Tue Jul 15, 2008 11:30 pm Posts: 8203 Location: Melbourne
Vehicle: Pajero 91 NH 3.0 SWB
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If You have ever try rock/mountain climbing, without using Your arms, You will understand just how important the front end is.
Good front traction can pull you straight up and over stuff, like reaching Your arms over an obstacle and hauling Yourself.
Yes the power and push from back end legs is important.
Uphill most weight is on the rear, and both wheels usually on the ground.
2 lockers is definately better,
but in my experience rear locker only is good for med/hard stuff,
but front locker only is better in harder stuff.
But this is all irrelevant, because he plans to lock both ends anyway,
and in the mean time he will find out wether he likes what he has chosen to do.
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neofitou
Joined: Wed Mar 24, 2010 10:30 pm Posts: 1088 Location: Melbourne
Vehicle: 00 Jimny, 63 Haffy
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shane1992 wrote: Wow, thanks for all the opinions and reasons guys! much appreciated!! Im gunna chuck it in the back, 
I did the rear first, then put one in the front as well as power steering.
I would still put an airlocker in the front even with power steering if I could. I get around it with 2WD when I dont need low.
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shane1992

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Joined: Tue Jun 08, 2010 10:09 am Posts: 782 Location: Wollongong
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christover1 wrote: If You have ever try rock/mountain climbing, without using Your arms, You will understand just how important the front end is. Good front traction can pull you straight up and over stuff, like reaching Your arms over an obstacle and hauling Yourself. Yes the power and push from back end legs is important. Uphill most weight is on the rear, and both wheels usually on the ground.
2 lockers is definately better, but in my experience rear locker only is good for med/hard stuff, but front locker only is better in harder stuff.
But this is all irrelevant, because he plans to lock both ends anyway, and in the mean time he will find out wether he likes what he has chosen to do.
yeah makes sence, I'm only young and still learning how to 4wd, my car performed well with both front and rear diffs open, didn't loose traction much.. Untill I start tackling harder challenging stuff that's when I'll be locking the front I guess 
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steak_knife

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Joined: Fri May 22, 2009 11:30 pm Posts: 21335 Location: Smart Ass Island
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 Posted: Tue Mar 15, 2011 6:40 am |
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steve wrote: If you find it hard to steer with a front locker, it means both your front wheels are on the ground, which means the track isn't hard enough 
 I like this theory 
_________________ I used to be indecisive,
now I'm not so sure.....
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ajsr

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Joined: Sun Dec 28, 2008 10:30 pm Posts: 3712 Location: melb
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 Posted: Tue Mar 15, 2011 7:17 am |
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steak_knife wrote: steve wrote: If you find it hard to steer with a front locker, it means both your front wheels are on the ground, which means the track isn't hard enough   I like this theory 
x2 good theory
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