[shep]

the gas flow people use is interesting as i read somewhere that 25Lm is what is needed.
i am going to try less gas. also why use argosheald light? serious question why not
argosheald universal?

[ajsr]

shep wrote:

the gas flow people use is interesting as i read somewhere that 25Lm is what is needed.
i am going to try less gas. also why use argosheald light? serious question why not
argosheald universal?

for panel steel up to say 5-10mm mild mine is set around 14lm flow

[ajsr]

the gas mix cas supposedly promote penetration, flow etc ??? I dont belive there is much in it when your talking say migshild light of the stanard spec migshild etc .I just use an airliquide general arcal mix for everything inc stainless

[ball]

shep wrote:

the gas flow people use is interesting as i read somewhere that 25Lm is what is needed.
i am going to try less gas. also why use argosheald light? serious question why not
argosheald universal?

Don't listen to anyone that says you need less gas flow. More gas flow is more $$$$ for me

[Fatzook]

shep wrote:

the gas flow people use is interesting as i read somewhere that 25Lm is what is needed.
i am going to try less gas. also why use argosheald light? serious question why not
argosheald universal?

The argolight has less argon contenet. This makes it cheaper. It is suitable for materials up to 10mm, but after that you will get better weld penetration by using argoshield. I have a cylinder of both, but most of my welding is under 8mm, so I just use the argo-light.

Also 25l/min is twice what you can get away with. If you are unsure, do some test welds on a piece of flatbar. Drop the flow rate down a bit then do a weld. Keep going till you get to 10 - 8l/min, and see what the difference is.

[ball]

Fatzook wrote:

shep wrote:

the gas flow people use is interesting as i read somewhere that 25Lm is what is needed.
i am going to try less gas. also why use argosheald light? serious question why not
argosheald universal?

The argolight has less argon contenet. This makes it cheaper. It is suitable for materials up to 10mm, but after that you will get better weld penetration by using argoshield. I have a cylinder of both, but most of my welding is under 8mm, so I just use the argo-light.

Also 25l/min is twice what you can get away with. If you are unsure, do some test welds on a piece of flatbar. Drop the flow rate down a bit then do a weld. Keep going till you get to 10 - 8l/min, and see what the difference is.

The BOC retail price for light and universal is the same.

If you have an account manager you can sometimes squeeze them for a better price on the light though.

I have a customer that uses light for all his work. He does some pretty substantial fabrication and reckons there is very little difference between the 2.

[Fatzook]

ball wrote:

Fatzook wrote:

shep wrote:

the gas flow people use is interesting as i read somewhere that 25Lm is what is needed.
i am going to try less gas. also why use argosheald light? serious question why not
argosheald universal?

The argolight has less argon contenet. This makes it cheaper. It is suitable for materials up to 10mm, but after that you will get better weld penetration by using argoshield. I have a cylinder of both, but most of my welding is under 8mm, so I just use the argo-light.

Also 25l/min is twice what you can get away with. If you are unsure, do some test welds on a piece of flatbar. Drop the flow rate down a bit then do a weld. Keep going till you get to 10 - 8l/min, and see what the difference is.

The BOC retail price for light and universal is the same.

If you have an account manager you can sometimes squeeze them for a better price on the light though.

I have a customer that uses light for all his work. He does some pretty substantial fabrication and reckons there is very little difference between the 2.

Oh ok. I get a cheaper price on the light. Its only $10 a bottle less, but better in my pocket than theirs. Obviously the gas mixes are so close to each other there is no point varying the retail price.

[ball]

I just had a look in my data book and there is about 10% more Argon in universal.

Just out of curiosity and something to make shep cry, how much do they sting you for a cylinder of argoshield.

All our gas prices up here are close to double that of the East Coast.

[Fatzook]

I'm paying $11.50 rental per month on an E Argo-light $72 for gas. E of Argoshield is $82.


And I'm paying $87 for a D of straight Argon. Not sure about rental.

[ball]

Rental prices are the same Australia wide. All customers "should" be paying the same.

The retail on an E2 universal here is $181.08 An E2 of light is $173.77

The G sized cylinders have the same price for light and universal of $305.49

A D of argon is $154.57

We get absolutely raped on gas prices here. The only other option here is Air Liquide and they are dearer than BOC.

[Fatzook]

ball wrote:

Rental prices are the same Australia wide. All customers "should" be paying the same.

The retail on an E2 universal here is $181.08 An E2 of light is $173.77

The G sized cylinders have the same price for light and universal of $305.49

A D of argon is $154.57

We get absolutely raped on gas prices here. The only other option here is Air Liquide and they are dearer than BOC.

Transport costs are the killer.

[ball]

Fatzook wrote:

ball wrote:

Rental prices are the same Australia wide. All customers "should" be paying the same.

The retail on an E2 universal here is $181.08 An E2 of light is $173.77

The G sized cylinders have the same price for light and universal of $305.49

A D of argon is $154.57

We get absolutely raped on gas prices here. The only other option here is Air Liquide and they are dearer than BOC.

Transport costs are the killer.

That's the excuse, but when you move the quantity of cylinders BOC does then the freight cost per crate is quite good.

Even using my rates (nowhere near what BOC would pay) per crate wouldn't add that much to the price of a cylinder.

[Fatzook]

ball wrote:

Fatzook wrote:

ball wrote:

Rental prices are the same Australia wide. All customers "should" be paying the same.

The retail on an E2 universal here is $181.08 An E2 of light is $173.77

The G sized cylinders have the same price for light and universal of $305.49

A D of argon is $154.57

We get absolutely raped on gas prices here. The only other option here is Air Liquide and they are dearer than BOC.

Transport costs are the killer.

That's the excuse, but when you move the quantity of cylinders BOC does then the freight cost per crate is quite good.

Even using my rates (nowhere near what BOC would pay) per crate wouldn't add that much to the price of a cylinder.

Thought about moving?

[ball]

Fatzook wrote:

Thought about moving?

I did,

I left Brisbane.

[Fatzook]

ball wrote:

Fatzook wrote:

Thought about moving?

I did,

I left Brisbane.

Good call!

[mnemonix]

Damn the NT prices are expensive!
I own my own bottles so there are no rental charges.
D sized argon costs $89.
E sized Argoshield costs $110.

[Shansh]

might be worth buying my own bottles while I am here in sydney & taking them home in the trailer...........not like I am going to use a whole E size before i come back again

[Fatzook]

Shansh wrote:

might be worth buying my own bottles while I am here in sydney & taking them home in the trailer...........not like I am going to use a whole E size before i come back again

Unless you already have a retailer near you that sells bottles, and fills privately owned bottles, you'll be wasting your money. NO BOC or Air Liquide agent will fill bottles that aren't their own.

[Shansh]

no retailers near me but i do regular trips back here & ave family that come over my way too, not like i will use heaps of gas anyway & if i get a bigger bottle than i would normally it would last a fair while anyhow would have thought

[Fatzook]

There are regulations regarding the transport of full and empty gas cylinders. Do you have a ute, truck or trailer that you can use?

[Shansh]

trailer pete, open, if i need to can buy a fire extinguisher, do i need any special fixing or mounting points? i am aware that they have to be transported standing upright

[Fatzook]

No special fixings. But if it comes loose your in the deepest of shit

Don't worry about the extinguisher. Argo is inert. Its the explosive force of a bottle rupturing that does the damage.

[Shansh]

too easy, thanks for the heads up, it wont come loose, got no plans for mr plod to have any reason to give me any shit

[monley]

They let me put a small Argoshield bottle in the back of my zook

[Shansh]

i reckon im going to go for a decent sized one so it lasts me till next time i am back over here in sydney

[Fatzook]

monley wrote:

They let me put a small Argoshield bottle in the back of my zook

Well hopefully nothing goes wrong.