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Built4thrashing
Joined: Wed May 21, 2008 11:30 pm Posts: 4972 Location: Dandenong .Vic
Vehicle: 1999 GV. Locked and Lifted
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 Posted: Sun Apr 01, 2012 5:53 pm |
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With the help from Christover and Ollies Ive measured up and made a prototype skid plate that bolts onto the factory gearbox cross member. Chris has kindly offered to be the tester for them. Now that i have a template for ill be making more of them. I'll offer them for sale to you AZ members first. Price to be comfirmed but will be around the $100 mark. I already have some available for the LWB GVs. Similar design. To keep the costs down they are just spray painted black (not powder coated...yet). pics   there is about 20mm clearance under the t/case  Only down side is it hangs below the chasis rail by about 20mm  and just coz i can here is a pic of chris...not his best angle....lol 
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christover1

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Joined: Tue Jul 15, 2008 11:30 pm Posts: 8203 Location: Melbourne
Vehicle: Pajero 91 NH 3.0 SWB
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 Posted: Sun Apr 01, 2012 6:42 pm |
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I will get well tested. It won't be clean and shiny too long  Transfer case hangs below chassis rails anyway, so the skid plate must, too.
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Built4thrashing
Joined: Wed May 21, 2008 11:30 pm Posts: 4972 Location: Dandenong .Vic
Vehicle: 1999 GV. Locked and Lifted
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 Posted: Mon Apr 02, 2012 6:13 am |
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Once i sort out a few issues with advertising these will be available to AZ members for destruction testing... PM me if you want to buy one and help with the testing.
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gregdixon

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Joined: Sun Dec 28, 2008 10:30 pm Posts: 1017 Location: Perth
Vehicle: 2004 SQ625 GV
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Nice job, I made one identical. It did save my t case but was beat up after. Needs some angle running down either side to support the long section as it bends up against the t case. I will post some pics of mine if I can find it.
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gregdixon

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Joined: Sun Dec 28, 2008 10:30 pm Posts: 1017 Location: Perth
Vehicle: 2004 SQ625 GV
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 Posted: Thu Apr 05, 2012 11:49 pm |
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This was only 2.6mm, but did it's job as alien and 96coily would remember. The entire weight of the gv was on it and didn't bust the t case. 
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Fatzook

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Joined: Sat Oct 27, 2007 11:30 pm Posts: 14977 Location: The Hills
Vehicle: Vitara, NGV
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Disposable parts? needs to be 10mm thick with that design.
You could use a thinner material ( say 5mm) if you had a folded return along both sides ( lengthways).
Or use 5mm Bisaloy.
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Built4thrashing
Joined: Wed May 21, 2008 11:30 pm Posts: 4972 Location: Dandenong .Vic
Vehicle: 1999 GV. Locked and Lifted
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 Posted: Sat Apr 07, 2012 10:40 am |
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If these were made from 10mm plate they would be way to heavy and extremely expensive... The idea is to gain some added protection without weighing as much as a tank. 5mm plate is a nice compromise between strength and weight..... And the simplistic design makes it easy to re shape if it does get bent.
5mm Bisaloy would be nice but dam expensive and hard to work with.
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Gwagensteve
Joined: Thu Feb 26, 2009 10:30 pm Posts: 13007 Location: Melbourne
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Fatzook wrote: You could use a thinner material ( say 5mm) if you had a folded return along both sides ( lengthways).
Is anyone else getting a strong sense of deja vu here? Steve.
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BlueSuzy

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Joined: Sun May 04, 2008 11:30 pm Posts: 9716 Location: NSW
Vehicle: SJ51 LWB, SJ70 SWB
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 Posted: Sat Apr 07, 2012 11:39 am |
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Ok im biting
It looks weak, bent in wrong spot so it sits below chassis, flatbar around tube, bolts not close to tube. Half arsed effort to make a few $. Goodluck with selling them.
Whats next? Tank guard?
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ajsr

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Joined: Sun Dec 28, 2008 10:30 pm Posts: 3712 Location: melb
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BlueSuzy wrote: Ok im biting
It looks weak, bent in wrong spot so it sits below chassis, flatbar around tube, bolts not close to tube. Half arsed effort to make a few $. Goodluck with selling them.
Whats next? Tank guard? a bit rough dont you think mate???
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Fatzook

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Joined: Sat Oct 27, 2007 11:30 pm Posts: 14977 Location: The Hills
Vehicle: Vitara, NGV
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 Posted: Sat Apr 07, 2012 7:51 pm |
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Gwagensteve wrote: Fatzook wrote: You could use a thinner material ( say 5mm) if you had a folded return along both sides ( lengthways).
Is anyone else getting a strong sense of deja vu here? Steve. Echo echo echo 
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christover1

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Joined: Tue Jul 15, 2008 11:30 pm Posts: 8203 Location: Melbourne
Vehicle: Pajero 91 NH 3.0 SWB
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I've done some serious testing, it does need a fold along the flat area at least. Or some bracing or similar. I will be having a go at doing that tomorrow. Probably beat it around a pipe for a curved edge.
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Built4thrashing
Joined: Wed May 21, 2008 11:30 pm Posts: 4972 Location: Dandenong .Vic
Vehicle: 1999 GV. Locked and Lifted
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 Posted: Sat Apr 07, 2012 8:13 pm |
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Thanks Chris. this is what i wanted . I needed some one to do some real world test to se where it needed to be modified. The original ideas behind these was to offer a cheap alternative to what is already available. But the more work thats required to make these the more expensive they will be and npbody will want them.....
now if these are made to be too strong they can create another problem. If you happen to really get caught up on something you would rather the skid plate fail than have it tear the crossmember or tube brace out....
And making them out of 10mm plate means they will just then hang down 30mm instead of 20mm.
Oh and BlueSuzi, if its such a half assed effort i wanna see what you come up with.... not just an idea... make it so we can shit can it too...
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stockman

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Joined: Thu Nov 05, 2009 10:30 pm Posts: 5319 Location: Canberra
Vehicle: 4wd
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Built4thrashing wrote: Oh and BlueSuzi, if its such a half assed effort i wanna see what you come up with.... not just an idea... make it so we can shit can it too... Prob not someone you want to fab challenge! 
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Fatzook

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Joined: Sat Oct 27, 2007 11:30 pm Posts: 14977 Location: The Hills
Vehicle: Vitara, NGV
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Built4thrashing wrote: And making them out of 10mm plate means they will just then hang down 30mm instead of 20mm.
Oh and BlueSuzi, if its such a half assed effort i wanna see what you come up with.... not just an idea... make it so we can shit can it too...
I'm only going to comment because these have been on my to-do list for a while. But from what I can see from your pics, there is no0 reason that it need hang down below the rail. As for making them cheap so people buy them..... well thats all good and well but, what happens when joeblow ( not OUR Joeblow  ) sees a crumpled up skid plate and says 'where did you get that thing from? Most people will pay a higher price for a premium product before buying a poorly designed, cheap part that has a very limited lifespan. I try and work by this one rule. If you can't make a quality part for a fair price, then don't bother. This is why there are things that I would NEVER make. Because there is no way I can make them cheap enough, and still keep the kwality. 
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BlueSuzy

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Joined: Sun May 04, 2008 11:30 pm Posts: 9716 Location: NSW
Vehicle: SJ51 LWB, SJ70 SWB
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I may be harsh, i may be rough, But if it looks shit, noone will buy it. Its like those stupid 2mm sheet tank guards. Weak as piss, yeah good for mud, woo. Speak the truth, noone likes it, Speak oh yeah thats great, people think they are marvelous. Move the bend, why is it below chassis? Ubolt the plate or use a bracket tight around the chassis so its not rubbing it in half like a loose ubolt on a diff (see want33's 75series repair) If someone dislikes my work, i ask why, weight it up if i should change it, not caring how rough they ask, Its criticism. If i change it again, who cares, its a better product in the end. 
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Built4thrashing
Joined: Wed May 21, 2008 11:30 pm Posts: 4972 Location: Dandenong .Vic
Vehicle: 1999 GV. Locked and Lifted
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We tested out the GV one this weekend on Bohulers GV and it got smacked pretty hard and did not move. The tracks we drove scraped all the paint of the bottom but it held it's shape.
I agree a gussett on the sides would make it alot stronger but i dont think its required.....
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GRPABT1
Joined: Mon Nov 19, 2007 10:30 pm Posts: 731 Location: Townsville
Vehicle: 88 SWB WT Sierra soft top ute
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I would move the bend back closer to the front of the transfer then run the skid up on top of the tube cross member and attatch it there with u-bolts. This would make the bottom flat surface smaller, create a more angled and stronger fold at the point of most likely contact and probably not hang below the chassis rail. this also would not cost any more to make and be easier as U-bolts don't require the extra bits of dodgey flat bar to be cut up for the front mount.
It's one thing to make things cheap, but your design needs to be as thoroughly thought out as possible to get the most out of the limited budget. A quick glance had me thinking of how to improve it without costing more so your design must have been somewhat rushed.
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christover1

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Joined: Tue Jul 15, 2008 11:30 pm Posts: 8203 Location: Melbourne
Vehicle: Pajero 91 NH 3.0 SWB
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 Posted: Mon Apr 16, 2012 6:03 pm |
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Tried real hard to hit it with a Rocky Track rock, but missed, not a scratch on it yet
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Built4thrashing
Joined: Wed May 21, 2008 11:30 pm Posts: 4972 Location: Dandenong .Vic
Vehicle: 1999 GV. Locked and Lifted
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 Posted: Mon Apr 16, 2012 7:37 pm |
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christover1 wrote: Tried real hard to hit it with a Rocky Track rock, but missed, not a scratch on it yet At least ya trying.....keep up the punishment
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