[atari4x4]

what some good info in this thread Mr Shep viewtopic.php?f=1&t=39525&hilit=hangman

[shep]

atari4x4 wrote:

what some good info in this thread Mr Shep viewtopic.php?f=1&t=39525&hilit=hangman

Not really what I want. After more a trauma kit although I did forget about glad wrap.

[Joe]

ball wrote:

burn spray

[ball]

Joe wrote:

ball wrote:

burn spray

I am serious, that shit is brilliant

[shakes]

This thread has some good lists.

viewtopic.php?f=1&t=39525&hilit=first

[atari4x4]

shakes wrote:

This thread has some good lists.

viewtopic.php?f=1&t=39525&hilit=first

this one is better

atari4x4 wrote:

what some good info in this thread Mr Shep viewtopic.php?f=1&t=39525&hilit=hangman

[zookprojectfnq]

This is what I have http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll ... 0836173708

[shep]

Nothing in either of those threads will keep someone alive if for example there leg is chopped off.

Life and death stuff, not a mild discomfort

[atari4x4]

shep wrote:

Nothing in either of those threads will keep someone alive if for example there leg is chopped off.

Life and death stuff, not a mild discomfort

they're the same thread ya numpty

surely you'd be able to get a good kit through the CFS?

[blakej]

I think there is always place in a first aid kit for an aterial clamp. Im a forestry science student and also work as a tree faller in the bush, whenever im out falling or on the skid i have my little first aid kit on my belt which has one little bandage, one wound dressing and my clamps. They are like sizzors with a flat end that clicks closed. I doubt that if i did cut something bad there is only a very small chance id be able to clamp it myself but they make me feel better.

[Matthew]

Setopress bandages for snakebites.

They have indicators to help regulate pressure and prevent over tightening.

A permanent marker to mark the bite location and time of bite on bandage.

[shep]

atari4x4 wrote:

shep wrote:

Nothing in either of those threads will keep someone alive if for example there leg is chopped off.

Life and death stuff, not a mild discomfort

they're the same thread ya numpty

surely you'd be able to get a good kit through the CFS?

What's a CFS? I don't want a suitcase sized pile of stuff, just the basic bits. Things like a Israeli bandage, I was hoping to find out about more things like that.

[atari4x4]

CFS = Country Fire Service. eg, that mob that you go out burning stuff with.

[shep]

atari4x4 wrote:

CFS = Country Fire Service. eg, that mob that you go out burning stuff with.

I burn stuff with bush fires NT ( same dept as parks and wild life)and the NT fire & rescue service

[dm90]

ventolin

[woo603]

Quick clot it's good stuff

[Santos]

Suture kit if you want a hardcore addition to the kit. Really need to practice on pigs carcasses if you are serious about buying one

http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/Military-Sur ... 337wt_1247

Also as a straight up first aid kit purchase this sub -$20 delivered UK military vehicle first aid kit below is really good value, bought one for my 2nd car although advertised as expired date, the example i bought sterile exp late 2014

http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/BRITISH-ARMY ... 507wt_1009

[royce]

Come across this while searching snake bite kits.

http://www.firstaidkitsaustralia.com.au ... asp?id=604

Got 2 of them, seem to be pretty useful stuff, rather than 180 bandaids and a safety pin

[nato78]

shep wrote:

So far I have a little kit with band aids scissors etc which is about pocket size. Also have a box of latex gloves, 2x Israeli bandages and a S.O.P tourniquet.

I'm guessing you want it for remote area survival? The Israeli bandages and combat tourniquet (not the elastic jobbies you use when collecting blood) are a great start for controlling bleeding in a trauma situation. Remember that the tourniquet must be tight enough to stop arterial flow, somewhere around 200mmHg pressure. Something else you could try and find would be some sort of haemolytic clotting agent like quik clot (if you can't find it, I think there is a veterinary version available).

Other stuff to include would be an assortment of dressings and bandages, don't forget about compression bandage for snake bite, triangular bandage for slings. An assortment of tapes and safety pins.

You also want something to clean your wounds, saline/betadine. A way of closing wounds, butterfly clips, suture gear or skin staples, or even superglue will do in a pinch. Just remember never to close up a dirty wound, you're just asking for infection.

An assortment of meds is also handy, painkillers, panadol and nurofen will also reduce fever, aspirin should also be used in chest pain as a first line treatment. Include some anti diarrhoea meds and some laxatives. Something for nausea like maxalon or stemetil. Also include some rehydration salts like gastrolyte.

Depending on how comprehensive you want to go, a large bore IV cannula can be used to decompress a pneumothorax, which is the 2nd biggest killer in trauma, bleeding out is the first.

Include an assortment of scissors, arterial clamps, tweezers and a scalpel.

Al-foil can be used to splint a tooth that has been knocked out or loosened.

Anything else will depend on what you can get access to, I have a variety of different antibiotics in my kit as well as a few other meds.

If I think of anything else, I'll post it up.

Hope that helps.

Nathan

Oh, and throw in a space blanket and a small torch.

[nato78]

Ok, so I've had a couple of questions regarding pneumothorax. So I thought I might post up a quick and very basic how to ID and treat.

Please keep in mind that this is only for emergency situations where medical help is not available or a long time away. 000 should always be your first option.

So with that little disclaimer, here we go:

A pneumothorax is where the lung separates from the chest wall resulting in a build-up of air inside the pleural space (chest cavity) preventing the lung from expanding. Also called a "collapsed lung". This is a medical emergency and can lead to death if left untreated.

It can be caused by trauma, either some sort of puncture wound or blunt force with no apparent wound. A fractured rib can also cause a pneumothorax. Pneumothorax can also be spontaneous, meaning that it can occur for no apparent reason, and this usually is most common in tall skinny males.

Signs and symptoms include: shortness of breath or respiratory distress including rapid breathing, chest pain and increased heart rate (pulse), weakening pulse pressure (due to decreased BP) decreased level of consciousness (starting with increased confusion) due to hypoxia (decreased oxygen levels).

Visible signs mayl include a deviation of the trachea (wind pipe) to the side of the collapsed lung and distended neck veins. If you have a stethoscope, you can listen to the chest. You will hear normal breath sounds on the unaffected side, and the side with the pneumothorax will be either silent or have decreased breath sounds.

Treatment (again this should be performed only by health care professionals unless absolutely necessary):Determine that it is indeed a pneumothorax you are dealing with and not something like an alergic reaction (anaphylaxis), and determine which side the collapse is on. Apply oxygen therapy via a mask if available. If there is an open wound or puncture, this needs to be sealed with an occlusive dressing, a plastic sheet taped into place will work. Using a large bore IV cannula (16g would be ideal), on the side of the collapse, find the mid clavicular line (middle of the collarbone) and trace it down to where it crosses the 2nd intercostal space (feels for the gap between the 2nd and 3rd ribs). Insert cannula into this point. Remove guide needle, leaving the plastic sheath in place. You should hear a hiss as the lung decompresses, forcing air out through the cannula.

NOW GET TO MEDICAL HELP ASAP. This has bought you some time, but the victim will still need proper medical management of their pneumothorax, usually including insertion of chest tube and proper drainage.

Remember, I cannot stress enough that this should only be considered as a last choice when no medical treatment is available.

Cheers,

Nathan

[zookprojectfnq]

Perfect example off three kings. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6WZ-yqEoEBg

[bohuler]

nato78 wrote:

Ok, so I've had a couple of questions regarding pneumothorax. So I thought I might post up a quick and very basic how to ID and treat.

Please keep in mind that this is only for emergency situations where medical help is not available or a long time away. 000 should always be your first option.

So with that little disclaimer, here we go:

A pneumothorax is where the lung separates from the chest wall resulting in a build-up of air inside the pleural space (chest cavity) preventing the lung from expanding. Also called a "collapsed lung". This is a medical emergency and can lead to death if left untreated.

It can be caused by trauma, either some sort of puncture wound or blunt force with no apparent wound. A fractured rib can also cause a pneumothorax. Pneumothorax can also be spontaneous, meaning that it can occur for no apparent reason, and this usually is most common in tall skinny males.

Signs and symptoms include: shortness of breath or respiratory distress including rapid breathing, chest pain and increased heart rate (pulse), weakening pulse pressure (due to decreased BP) decreased level of consciousness (starting with increased confusion) due to hypoxia (decreased oxygen levels).

Visible signs mayl include a deviation of the trachea (wind pipe) to the side of the collapsed lung and distended neck veins. If you have a stethoscope, you can listen to the chest. You will hear normal breath sounds on the unaffected side, and the side with the pneumothorax will be either silent or have decreased breath sounds.

Treatment (again this should be performed only by health care professionals unless absolutely necessary):Determine that it is indeed a pneumothorax you are dealing with and not something like an alergic reaction (anaphylaxis), and determine which side the collapse is on. Apply oxygen therapy via a mask if available. If there is an open wound or puncture, this needs to be sealed with an occlusive dressing, a plastic sheet taped into place will work. Using a large bore IV cannula (16g would be ideal), on the side of the collapse, find the mid clavicular line (middle of the collarbone) and trace it down to where it crosses the 2nd intercostal space (feels for the gap between the 2nd and 3rd ribs). Insert cannula into this point. Remove guide needle, leaving the plastic sheath in place. You should hear a hiss as the lung decompresses, forcing air out through the cannula.

NOW GET TO MEDICAL HELP ASAP. This has bought you some time, but the victim will still need proper medical management of their pneumothorax, usually including insertion of chest tube and proper drainage.

Remember, I cannot stress enough that this should only be considered as a last choice when no medical treatment is available.

Cheers,

Nathan

Cheers for the heads up Nathan, would of been handy when I have my spontanious pneumothorax a few years ago.
Had I of know I would of try to turn myself into to fatty to try and stop it happening!!
Everyone gotta know its not fun at all. I got up to walk to the sink and in 10 paces I was outta breath and the weirdest shit was I could feel my left lung inflating but not my right one. Thats really trippy feeling and cause I was doing an instructor scuba diving course at the time kinda thought I knew what happened. I don't recommend driving to the doctors or then the hospital cause I could hardly breath by this time. Lucky tho that it didn't happen on a dive or I would be dead. Having said all that, no more diving for me cause once you have had one spontanious one.
Oh this is also after a trumatic hemo-pneumothorax (collapsed lung with bleeding in the lungs) when I fell out of a tree when I was 12. Only fell 2 meters and bouced a kidney loose which went into the scap bin 4 hours later and 2/3 of my liver which luckily grew back (and to think that I'm the biggest boozer in my family and i'm the one who shouldn't drink!)
Dave

[5uzuki]

When ever I'm hiking or mountain biking I carry enough to get myself or someone else high enough to not give a sh*t about having to be carried a good distance with a broken leg. The rest is icing on the cake.

[Wombat45]

Cert 3 is good not anywhere near an Australian paramedic. EMT is a yank term. Paramedics do 4 years training for a start and most now have a university degree. There are a few cert 4 floating around as casuals or PTS. Don't get me wrong your advice is sound but most won't have access to more than Paracetamol and a first aid kit. Do a course, Learn as much as you can, and if you travel remote take a communication device that will work and know where you are so help can find you if shit hits the fan

[atari4x4]

5uzuki wrote:

When ever I'm hiking or mountain biking I carry enough to get myself or someone else high enough to not give a sh*t about having to be carried a good distance with a broken leg. The rest is icing on the cake.

this guy is welcome on any of my trips.