[kenn]

BUZOOKA wrote:

well all ur ball park figures just went out the window wreckers wants $2500 for one

For that money , you could jump on the boat and come to Melbourne and get one or two from pinch-a-part..

[v.w.dave]

It will get the car to speed faster, It changes the structural integrity of the car, changes the weight of the car, the standard brakes on a siera were not designed for that power making the braking distance change due to wieght. It also being a taller motor in a major accedent would come through the fire wall differently that could cause more damage to the driver or passanger.
Shale I go on??????

[BUZOOKA]

yer sure vw u can keep going


but that doesnt mean i have to listen

look i am taking everything said in to account and working from there

[royce]

v.w.dave wrote:

It will get the car to speed faster, It changes the structural integrity of the car, changes the weight of the car, the standard brakes on a siera were not designed for that power making the braking distance change due to wieght. It also being a taller motor in a major accedent would come through the fire wall differently that could cause more damage to the driver or passanger.
Shale I go on??????

You seriously need some kind of smart sensor on your keyboard cause fuck you dont make sense a lot of the time

yes it will get the car to speed faster which affects braking ability going by how they are tested to ADR's but this is an approved swap by most DOT so its already factored, also seeing SWB vits have this engine with pretty much the same brakes and more weight its not a concern, I do like how you started with it has mor power so the brakes are no good cause its too heavy though, nice change of reason.
Structural integrety WTF? same engine mounts and its hardly a stressed member like a ferrari
I doubt there is much difference in weight
its only a few inches taller, if you hit that big either way, you're fucked

Please go on, I am interested to hear what else is wrong with this.

[v.w.dave]

Have you ever delt with an insurance company??? without the mod plate its your fault end of story? If some one in a hoopty that is falling apart but is stock standard runs a red light and you are traveling UNDER the speed limit and you hit and kill them with your modified un aproved car YOU are at fault. because you were in the wrong to start with. They will always fuck you in a modified car. even if you tell them you have a modified car. Without a enganeer say so its wrong.

[Taff]

v.w.dave wrote:

Have you ever delt with an insurance company??? without the mod plate its your fault end of story? If some one in a hoopty that is falling apart but is stock standard runs a red light and you are traveling UNDER the speed limit and you hit and kill them with your modified un aproved car YOU are at fault. because you were in the wrong to start with. They will always fuck you in a modified car. even if you tell them you have a modified car. Without a enganeer say so its wrong.

I have delt with insurance companies.

In the scenario you describe there is no way that you would be considered at fault.

It is the insurance companies responsibility to proove that your modifications caused the accident, not yours to disproove it.

My previous car was rear ended and written off by a GQ patrol on Double Island Pt. My tyres were too big, had a engine without a modplate and too much suspension lift. None of which CAUSED the accident.

[v.w.dave]

If the car didnt come out with it from the factory it is a mod. even different rims is a mod. I have seen a car that was a right off that the passanger got killed when the driver checked a curb and the aftermarket rim broke and flipped the car. The drive was sober. The insurance wouldnt pay up because it was a mod. The rim size was different but with the different size rubber the OD was the same.

[Ben_Sierra]

v.w.dave wrote:

If the car didnt come out with it from the factory it is a mod. even different rims is a mod. I have seen a car that was a right off that the passanger got killed when the driver checked a curb and the aftermarket rim broke and flipped the car. The drive was sober. The insurance wouldnt pay up because it was a mod. The rim size was different but with the different size rubber the OD was the same.

So, the aftermarket rim was at fault.

If the modifications in no way cause or contribute to the accident, then they will not be a problem.

[Taff]

Thats a totally different sort of example and you know it.

You said that if someone ran a red light and you smash into them with your big tyres its your fault.

[royce]

v.w.dave wrote:

If the car didnt come out with it from the factory it is a mod. even different rims is a mod. I have seen a car that was a right off that the passanger got killed when the driver checked a curb and the aftermarket rim broke and flipped the car. The drive was sober. The insurance wouldnt pay up because it was a mod. The rim size was different but with the different size rubber the OD was the same.

lol yes a sensor would be a good thing

A few things I would like to call BS on here
rim breaking and flipping the car, once you lose the rim and tyre that corner of the car is gunna want to slide along on the mostly flat steel surrounding it, given youve already it teh gutter to break the rim (also BS) youve got a fair bit of flat ground to slide on before smacking soemthing solid, I doubt there would be anything in the world that could flip a car after that, even if you hit a rear wheel an the gutter

no actually that is all, the rest is just too made up to even argue with

I know a few 4x4's been written off, with mods probably playing some cause to the crash and were still paid, hell I even know of one that was written off after the trailer they were towing went nuts and pulled htem off the highway, the trailer was over its max load AND the load was was over the max for the tow vehicle, paid out no questions asked

I have a real problem with internet bullshit and people spreading it around when they have no proof, you are sailing fucking close to going to far

[v.w.dave]

your right I do but it still invalves something that had an effect on the outcome of the accedent that was not on the car from the factory.

[v.w.dave]

Insurance does not like to pay people unless they have to .... If they can find any way out of paying they will... having a modified car is a reason they dont have to pay. If they can in ANY WAY shape or form relate your accedent to your modification and IT IS NOT enganeered your fucked. If this wasn't the case you would have more idiots like me on the road in cars like mine:)

[shep]

i thought that QLD was the only state to have a mod plate system

[Ben_Sierra]

Ok, so why then did the insurance company pay out when some tosser hit my vitara, even though it had aftermarket rims, big tyres, exhaust, extractors, all these "mods" which you say stop insurance companies paying...?

[v.w.dave]

Ben_Sierra wrote:

Ok, so why then did the insurance company pay out when some tosser hit my vitara, even though it had aftermarket rims, big tyres, exhaust, extractors, all these "mods" which you say stop insurance companies paying...?

Once again someone reading the last 2 posts comenting realising they missed something from up earlier.

IF THE MODS HAVE AN EFFECT ON THE ACCEDENT or ARE THE CAUSE OF THE ACCEDEND or CAUSE MORE DAMAGE they insurance companies can and will back out of paying if they aren't enganeered.

[foonji]

This one time, In Grand Theft Auto, I hit the curb and flipped.

[shep]

v.w.dave wrote:

[Forgive me if I am wrong but that engine can and wiull make the car drive faster??? isnt speed a common factor in accedent???

do your cars have a throttle? motor size dosnt directly relate to car speed.

[Ben_Sierra]

v.w.dave wrote:

Ben_Sierra wrote:

Ok, so why then did the insurance company pay out when some tosser hit my vitara, even though it had aftermarket rims, big tyres, exhaust, extractors, all these "mods" which you say stop insurance companies paying...?

Once again someone reading the last 2 posts comenting realising they missed something from up earlier.

IF THE MODS HAVE AN EFFECT ON THE ACCEDENT or ARE THE CAUSE OF THE ACCEDEND or CAUSE MORE DAMAGE they insurance companies can and will back out of paying if they aren't enganeered.

Umm, maybe you should take your own advice and read through the thread yourself...

You were saying that modified car = your fault, no payout.

I said, only if they cause or have some impact on the accident.

Now you are changing your story to say exactly what I told you earlier...

[BUZOOKA]

for a starters tassie dont run on the mod plate system we just have to go to the transport tell them the motor has been changed and that is it

its approved so maybe before u go shooting off u might wanna learn the regulations and laws of tassie

but hay wat would i no i just live here

[ajsr]

BUZOOKA wrote:

for a starters tassie dont run on the mod plate system we just have to go to the transport tell them the motor has been changed and that is it

its approved so maybe before u go shooting off u might wanna learn the regulations and laws of tassie

but hay wat would i no i just live here

you may want to check that!
what you will probably find is that there is a percentage power increase your allowed and then it has to be engineered.
I'd nearly bet you money that your not allowed to increase the power of a vehicle by over 50% without an engineers cert.
and if you are you taswegians are dumber than you guys look

[BUZOOKA]

if we go to big we have to get it pitted by a mechanic not sure if thats the same as an engineers report

but with relation to this thread i didnt see it matter so much as im only going .3 of a liter bigger



and dave the rim u r saying caused the car to roll so it was the mods fault so that doesn't actually back up ur defense and how did he manage to hit the gutter drifting a corner??? that would count as wrecles driving so insurance wouldn't of covered it anyway

[atari4x4]

so do you know what kind of 1.6 you going to get after 6 pages?

[BUZOOKA]

well after being told that $2500 for a 8 valve its back to the drawing board to look at some other motors

[IN2DEP]

Whn yous say the 16V are yous talking about the twin cam GTI head ??

[jonno_racing]

BUZOOKA wrote:

if we go to big we have to get it pitted by a mechanic not sure if thats the same as an engineers report

but with relation to this thread i didnt see it matter so much as im only going .3 of a liter bigger



and dave the rim u r saying caused the car to roll so it was the mods fault so that doesn't actually back up ur defense and how did he manage to hit the gutter drifting a corner??? that would count as wrecles driving so insurance wouldn't of covered it anyway

lol you are so wrong its not funny... stick to the 1.3 mate and save every one elce the hastle.

u need to mod plate a 1.6.. that meens a full engering cert and the car will need to be passed... every part of the car, not just the engine. and after looking ar your pics mate sorry i dont think it will pass.. forget it and get a new 1.3

[2stroker]

atari4x4 wrote:

shep wrote:

BUZOOKA wrote:

oozuk wrote:

BUZOOKA wrote:

yer i dont really have alot of money

i have about 600 to do the motor with

put the money towards gearing, because your not even close to the funds needed for an engine conversion

gearing doesnt help when the motor has trouble taking off in first gear

Fucken oth it will make a differance, if you have bigger then standerd tyres and don't fix your
Gearing then you are wasting your cash.


Allways fix gearing first before any other driveline mods. If you read a bit rather then
Posting shit all the time you would know this

x3, gearing is the answer!

i have nearly 100kw & with out gearing it was useless on & off road!

oh yeah search n00b!

Which 4 cyl Suzuki engine has 100KW ??

[atari4x4]

2stroker wrote:

atari4x4 wrote:

shep wrote:

BUZOOKA wrote:

oozuk wrote:

BUZOOKA wrote:

yer i dont really have alot of money

i have about 600 to do the motor with

put the money towards gearing, because your not even close to the funds needed for an engine conversion

gearing doesnt help when the motor has trouble taking off in first gear

Fucken oth it will make a differance, if you have bigger then standerd tyres and don't fix your
Gearing then you are wasting your cash.


Allways fix gearing first before any other driveline mods. If you read a bit rather then
Posting shit all the time you would know this

x3, gearing is the answer!

i have nearly 100kw & with out gearing it was useless on & off road!

oh yeah search n00b!

Which 4 cyl Suzuki engine has 100KW ??

are you for real, the J20a has 97kw in my 97 vitara & the JB24b has 124kw in the latest GV's.

[BlueSuzy]

97kw at the motor....not at the wheels..

[BUZOOKA]

stick to the 1.3 mate and save every one elce the hastle. ??????





all i did was asked a question about 8 valve and 16 valve every one else desided to jump in and say all i needed was gearing so how am i hasseling people when they dont have a clue y i want a new motor

[jonno_racing]

sorry buddy dont take this the wrong way but if u have to ask what a valve is/what it does maby you shouldnt be even concidering a engine conversion.

i say this because u are not the first kid to try this and have to have some one more experianced come fix your fuck ups...

i will put a mk1 gti motor in your zook, if you supply everything, and i will wire it up for around $700, that includes makeing a angle drive for your dizzy etc..

might sound like alot but concider it.