[Chopz]

Hey guys, looking at buying a 1996 stockman ute.

Can anyone tell me some details about these....I know there a 1Lt engine, and leaf sprung but are they WT or NT, diff ratios, etc.

Only ever had a 1987 NT before so dont know much about the utes, or LWB's I'm afraid.

[MrRocky]

mine is 96 stockman, it has

1ltr motor
4spd g/box (same housing as 1.3 5 spd but with 4spd inside)
WT spring spacing and diffs (all diff parts are interchangable with 1.3)
Different flanges on t/shafts and diffs (interchangable with nt and wt tho)
1ltr dash
1ltr radiator (and mounts)
4.1 ratio diffs (4 pinion)
1ltr transfer (12% lower low range than 1.3 and interchangable)
Fuel tank same as 1.3
1ltr seats
Bigger than 1.3 steering wheel

Might i also add its a little more cramped in the cab cause the seats dont go back, this make fitting bucket seats more of a mission.
They were imported from india and had the backs cut of and the trays put on to make them more appealing to farmers ect... Indian build quality is somewhat lacking meaning some welds (front recovery point!!!) are substandard compared to the auspec 1.3's

think thats about it.

[Fatzook]

MrRocky wrote:

mine is 96 stockman, it has

1ltr motor with electronic dizzy
4spd g/box (same housing as 1.3 5 spd but with 4spd inside) its actally a 4sp with a different rear extension housing. It accepts the 5th gear and rear bearing from a 5sp with a few small mods.
WT spring spacing and diffs (all diff parts are interchangable with 1.3)
Different flanges on t/shafts and diffs (interchangable with nt and wt tho) my 95 WT maruti had standard WT flanges
1ltr dash The original 1L dash was steel. The maruti dash is the same as a NT, but without the clock.
1ltr radiator (and mounts)
4.1 ratio diffs (4 pinion)
1ltr transfer (12% lower low range than 1.3 and interchangable)
Fuel tank same as 1.3
1ltr seats
Bigger than 1.3 steering wheel

Might i also add its a little more cramped in the cab cause the seats dont go back, this make fitting bucket seats more of a mission.
They were imported from india and had the backs cut of and the trays put on to make them more appealing to farmers ect... Indian build quality is somewhat lacking meaning some welds (front recovery point!!!) are substandard compared to the auspec 1.3's

think thats about it.

I have owned both Maruti AND jap spec ute. I see no difference in the welds. They both suck. And the 'recovery hook' on the front is actually just a tie down point for shipping purposes. It was never intended to be used as a recovery point.

[Chopz]

wow, cheers guys, very thorough.
I'm gonna try and check it out tomorrow...anything i should look out for in the utes compared to the usual tin tops or soft tops at all?

[MrRocky]

I would say your 95 model had the flanges changed at some stage as the maruti models are uniquly the same. My 96 model maruti's had the exact same box as the 5 spd, even the rear part of housing.

[Fatzook]

MrRocky wrote:

I would say your 95 model had the flanges changed at some stage as the maruti models are uniquly the same. My 96 model maruti's had the exact same box as the 5 spd, even the rear part of housing.

Mine was completely original. Only had 65,000km on it. I'm ashamed to say it, but it was the straightest car I have owned.

And I'm not sure how you had a 5sp 1.3 box in yours with the 1L. They don't match up. The bellhousings are completely different.

And I have done the 5sp conversion on a Maruti box, and it requires machining the rear housing of the 4sp to accept the rear shaft bearing. A 5sp box does not need this.

But all this aside, suzuki made changes every second week. Take the vitara wiring loom for example. There are about 5 different variants. And thats just for the 1.6 motor.

[Chopz]

so what do ya reckon had a look today
not too bad at all really its a 1996 LWB and its got 68,000 on the clock, got the fibre glass back with removable roof and the front windscreen can drop down....

he's asking 5-6000
worthwhile or not?

[Joe]

That a pretty good price for one with that amount of km on it
Got any pics or a link to it???

[Chopz]

na
its through a friend of a friend so i dont have any
always just get worried buying used cas
ya never know whats the go with em

[joeblow]

Fatzook wrote:

MrRocky wrote:

I would say your 95 model had the flanges changed at some stage as the maruti models are uniquly the same. My 96 model maruti's had the exact same box as the 5 spd, even the rear part of housing.

Mine was completely original. Only had 65,000km on it. I'm ashamed to say it, but it was the straightest car I have owned.

And I'm not sure how you had a 5sp 1.3 box in yours with the 1L. They don't match up. The bellhousings are completely different.

And I have done the 5sp conversion on a Maruti box, and it requires machining the rear housing of the 4sp to accept the rear shaft bearing. A 5sp box does not need this.

But all this aside, suzuki made changes every second week. Take the vitara wiring loom for example. There are about 5 different variants. And thats just for the 1.6 motor.

I have NEVER seen WT flanges on any maruti....and i have dealt with bucket loads of them.

[Fatzook]

joeblow wrote:

I have NEVER seen WT flanges on any maruti....and i have dealt with bucket loads of them.

When I went bundy diffs, I sold the WT maruti diffs to a bloke on outers. He fitted them that day into his WT sierra. No dramas with flanges at all I also ran hilux d'shafts to my transfer after I machined the locating spigot down. I'm pretty sure that early hilux is the same as WT sierra....

[zooker]

My WT maruti had NT diff flanges but they aren't interchangeable with NT sierra flanges. The spline on the pinion is slightly different.

My advice is if you do buy it dont bust a diff because they are a PITA to find. I ended up putting NT sierra diff centres in when I busted my rear diff because I couldnt find a spare.

I do have one good set WT maruti R&P gears though if anyone is in need

[Chopz]

ok so can someone please clear this up for me.....

I've been ringing around everywhere trying to get prices on 2 inch lift kits.
And i'm being told by some suspension mobs (wont name and shame) that they dont make them for LWB's as the rear springs are longer that your standard sierra.

I dont understand is this true or are all the springs the same length no matter what the sierra. Its a 1996 Stockman Lwb with the well body not the ally tray. What model number is it? the SJ71 or am I mistaken? I know there also called Maruti but that about it....

[Joe]

Im pretty sure they are all the same as in swb and lwb i dont know anything about part numbers though......

[MrRocky]

they are the same, well i have always used lifted springs to fit a normal sierra. Try brian at suzistore he has a big range.
Pete at the suzuki shop in beckingham can generally do a kit cheaper than suzistore if $$$ is a concern.

[303zuke]

Chopz wrote:

ok so can someone please clear this up for me.....

Its a 1996 Stockman Lwb with the well body not the ally tray. What model number is it? the SJ71 or am I mistaken?

The rear springs are the same length and shackle bush sizes, but the LWB have a marginally heavier rating. You can get away with SWB springs, but you might find the sit lower loaded or even sag sooner.

Your model code is MG410 WT. ARB do 40mm springs for them: