[Che]

Gonna wait til it warms up a little before having a go at painting my wheels - but just wondering if what I got laying around can do the job....

I got to consider - black for the interior and rims, drab green for the exterior, and some kinda ute liner product for the interior floor pan. Protec paint all around at this stage.

What sorta spray gun will I need to get this done?

My housemate has a compressor in the shed, it's got the specs of 2.5hp, 50lt tank, air delivery @ 162L/min, and 8-bar max pressure. Will this do the job?

Do I need any other stuff to get up and running?

[want33s]

162l/min is only 5.7Cu ft... A bit small but if you are patient it will do the job.

[zooky08]

also use a water trap and a regulater

[hutch]

http://www.freedigitalphotos.net/images ... tbrush.jpg

[wheelzie1989]

the air compressor will be fine, ive painted a whole car with a 2hp compressor

[zooky08]

wheelzie1989 wrote:

the air compressor will be fine, ive painted a whole car with a 2hp compressor

same with me a 21L tank too

[dawsey]

good idea to wait till a warm day it will make a big difference to the finish..to much moisture in the air or to cold and you could end up with a nice orange peel finish..Ive done a bit of spraying over the years its all in the prep the painting is piss easy..nice light coats and take your time, build up to the finish you want

[wheelzie1989]

dawsey wrote:

good idea to wait till a warm day it will make a big difference to the finish..to much moisture in the air or to cold and you could end up with a nice orange peel finish..Ive done a bit of spraying over the years its all in the prep the painting is piss easy..nice light coats and take your time, build up to the finish you want

You dont get orange peel from cold days

You get your paint going milky from the moisture in the air

Orange peel is caused by having a thick mix of paint and loading it onto the surface to be painted.

[ajsr]

ha ha
I love paint tech treads so much knows fuck all bullshit

[wheelzie1989]

So im wrong? well please, do tell what happens to acylic/ enamel/ basecoat/ clear coat/2k solid when you paint it on a cold day????

[atari4x4]

ajsr wrote:

ha ha
I love paint tech treads so much knows fuck all bullshit

hehe.... what does the "SR" mean in your user name

[ajsr]

smash repairs
http://forum.outerlimits4x4.com/viewtop ... 2&t=154399

[ajsr]

wheelzie1989 wrote:

So im wrong? well please, do tell what happens to acylic/ enamel/ basecoat/ clear coat/2k solid when you paint it on a cold day????

its called bloom and it will only happen to single pack acrylic's and spraying enamel without hardener sprayed below 10 deg c
it can also ahppen on days of high humidity.
you should never apply paint of any type onto a substrate with a surface temp of less than 15 deg c and 20 is ideal for all paint types.

[wheelzie1989]

Blooming and orange peel are two totally different things though. as per my comment above

[wheelzie1989]

i just dont understand what point your trying to make aj....

blooming/ fish eyes is also caused by foreign matter on the surface you are also painting...caused by a lack in prepping etc....eg. silicon on the surface to be painted.

(oh wow, i know a bit about painting too! )

[ajsr]

I never said YOU were wrong, man you young dudes get complexes quick.

orange peel is caused by several things it CAN be too thick a paint mix but for a lot of people its caused by the paint bieng applied too dry or too wide a fan or too low air pressure and people keep thinning the paint to overcome their shortcomings in application.

[want33s]

wheelzie1989 wrote:

the air compressor will be fine, ive painted a whole car with a 2hp compressor

Size of the motor (or the tank) has nothing to do with a compressors capability....
It is how many cubic feet / litres per minute it can pump...

wheelzie1989 wrote:

i just dont understand what point your trying to make aj....

blooming/ fish eyes is also caused by foreign matter on the surface you are also painting...caused by a lack in prepping etc....eg. silicon on the surface to be painted.

(oh wow, i know a bit about painting too! )

Blooming and fish eyes are two TOTALLY UNRELATED problems.
Blooming has NOTHING to do with contaminants.

Sounds to me like you don't know half as much as you think you do.

[ajsr]

wheelzie1989 wrote:

i just dont understand what point your trying to make aj....

blooming/ fish eyes is also caused by foreign matter on the surface you are also painting...caused by a lack in prepping etc....eg. silicon on the surface to be painted.

(oh wow, i know a bit about painting too! )

sorry dude sounds like you da man
just curious what you painting qualifications are??

[wheelzie1989]

im just plain awesome!

mate im just sitting back here with a beer in my hand laughing at this thread.

im qualified in everything just ask me ill tell ya

Didnt know there were so many drips under pressure in this forum

[ajsr]

wheelzie1989 wrote:

im just plain awesome!

mate im just sitting back here with a beer in my hand laughing at this thread.

im qualified in everything just ask me ill tell ya

Didnt know there were so many drips under pressure in this forum

sounds more like you have a strong cordial and your hand on your icypole.
fucking school holidays.

[eldo]

maybe someone should actually answer the question, i am by no means an expert in painting cars.
i would suggest any high pressure gun be it gravity fed or suction pot, all comes down to your budget, best bet is to buy the best you can afford and probably a reputable brand.
i am going to paint my floor and tray area with water based body sealer/deadner, its cheap and sets hard, you will need specific gun for this that screws on the lid of the can/bottle. these are not to expensive, maybe someone can lend you one. the better ones allow you to play with the spray and fan etc.
its best to paint on a nice warm afternoon after the car has had enough time to warm the body steel, probably a dry non windy day about 25C would be great. mix the thinners hardner paint etc to the recomendations and take your time, nice thin coats etc. the compressor should do the job just attempt one panel at a time and allow the air to build up, if you want a good job plumb in a filter on the air line.
one tip i can offer is to buy a 20L of thinners cause the 4 litres is never enough to finnish the job especially with cleaning guns and equipment etc. like i said im no expert and dont claim to be, but using these methods you should be ok

[stockman]

[eldo]

oh i forgot an important thing, buy some premsol or wax and grease remover and wipe on/off all surfaces to be painted before apllying the paint...

[ajsr]

che_guitarra wrote:

Gonna wait til it warms up a little before having a go at painting my wheels - but just wondering if what I got laying around can do the job....

I got to consider - black for the interior and rims, drab green for the exterior, and some kinda ute liner product for the interior floor pan. Protec paint all around at this stage.

What sorta spray gun will I need to get this done?

My housemate has a compressor in the shed, it's got the specs of 2.5hp, 50lt tank, air delivery @ 162L/min, and 8-bar max pressure. Will this do the job?

Do I need any other stuff to get up and running?

wha type of paint are you using on the exetrior olive drab? is it acrylic enamel or twopak?
your gun choice and tip size will be a little different depending on which one.

read the link I posted and if you have any specific pm me and ill sort it out for you

[want33s]

eldo wrote:

maybe someone should actually answer the question, i am by no means an expert in painting cars.
i would suggest any high pressure gun be it gravity fed or suction pot, all comes down to your budget, best bet is to buy the best you can afford and probably a reputable brand.

Eldo the question is too vague to give a proper answer.....
No mention of the composition of the paint to be used(acrylic/enamel/2pac/urethane) or the body deadener/tray liner stuff to be used makes it hard to select an appropriate gun.

High pressure guns went with the dinosaurs.... HVLP (high volume low pressure) guns are the go now.
"Buy the best you can afford".... You got that right... Always buy the best you can.. The poor man pays twice.

[eldo]

want33s wrote:

eldo wrote:

maybe someone should actually answer the question, i am by no means an expert in painting cars.
i would suggest any high pressure gun be it gravity fed or suction pot, all comes down to your budget, best bet is to buy the best you can afford and probably a reputable brand.

Eldo the question is too vague to give a proper answer.....
No mention of the composition of the paint to be used(acrylic/enamel/2pac/urethane) or the body deadener/tray liner stuff to be used makes it hard to select an appropriate gun.

High pressure guns went with the dinosaurs.... HVLP (high volume low pressure) guns are the go now.
"Buy the best you can afford".... You got that right... Always buy the best you can.. The poor man pays twice.

ok so get one of the new style guns, my old man had panel shops and i did thousands of hours in them growing up, he still has the old stuff and we still use it. i guess things do change, one thing hasnt though...its all about the prep

[Che]

What's the difference between spray guns needed apply the Protec as compared to the sludgy ute liner stuff?

[ajsr]

most tub liner type products are applied through a stone guard gun or deadner gun as they are generally far to thick for a normal spray gun.
I worked wiyh a guy many years ago who used to put stone guard on with a 2.5 mm tip putty gun but he was the only exception to the rule
I ever saw
most color guns are 1.2 - 1.5 mm for two pak and enamels(gravity gun are the go here although you can get good results with suction)
1.4 - 2.0 mm for acrylic
I use 2.0 for 2pak primer fillers but other people often use bigger
and the there is dedecated putty guns(which I hate)
a stone guard/deadner gun would have between a 3 and 5mm pickup and tip ( whey make great degreaser guns)

[ajsr]

che_guitarra wrote:

What's the difference between spray guns needed apply the Protec as compared to the sludgy ute liner stuff?

what is the protec?
ie acrlic , spraying enamel or 2 pak?

[Che]

According to the product reference guide from the Protec website:

342 CAMOUFLAGE ENAMEL is a low gloss, heat and petrol resistant, alkyd finishing enamel with specified infra red reflectance (IRR) properties.