[Blake1191]

just a quick question maybe a stupid one too.


is it better to go and buy a rear locker for my 89 vitara or would it be okay still to get it welded just in the rear? ive talked to a few people whos done it they havnt had to much problem from what they told me? but yeah just any thoughts.

cheers. blake

[royce]

I ran a welded rear in my sierra for years, yeah they are probably easier to live with than an auto locker but I found the accelerated tyre wear actually made it cheaper to fit an airlocker in the long run

[Fatzook]

royce wrote:

I ran a welded rear in my sierra for years, yeah they are probably easier to live with than an auto locker but I found the accelerated tyre wear actually made it cheaper to fit an airlocker in the long run

X elleventybillion!! Auto lockers suck for street driven zooks. Welded is much nicer. Even better is the airlocker.

[alien]

agreed - i've run welded and now air... air rocks, and welded was extremely predictable so it was easy to get used to.

autolockers get your car impounded for "hooning" around roundabouts =P

[Zachius]

... I see the auto locker haters are out in force today ...

Yes a welded rear is more predictable, however that does not mean that lock-rites (I cannot speak for other auto lockers as I have no experience with them) are unpredictable.

A properly working auto locker will also cause less tyre wear than a welded diff but more than an air locker (obviously).

If you daily drive the vitara I would not recommend a welded rear.

[joeblow]

Zachius wrote:

... I see the auto locker haters are out in force today ....

yep.....you bet.

Zachius wrote:

however that does not mean that lock-rites (I cannot speak for other auto lockers as I have no experience with them) are unpredictable.

oh yes they are!

Zachius wrote:

A properly working auto locker will also cause less tyre wear than a welded diff but more than an air locker (obviously).

only if you 'coast' around every single corner or bend in the road. otherwise tyre wear between the two is very much the same.

Zachius wrote:

If you daily drive the vitara I would not recommend a welded rear.

i would not recomend a welded....let alone an auto locker. both are rubbish and illegal.

[Highway-Star]

joeblow wrote:

Zachius wrote:

If you daily drive the vitara I would not recommend a welded rear.

i would not recomend a welded....let alone an auto locker. both are rubbish and illegal.

I was under the impression an "auto-locker" (meaning ratchet type I guess) was legal as in theory they do unlock for corners?

[alien]

nope... the law still sees them as a locked diff, as they are in fact an auto-UNlocker.

[steak_knife]

alien wrote:

agreed - i've run welded and now air... air rocks, and welded was extremely predictable so it was easy to get used to.

autolockers get your car impounded for "hooning" around roundabouts =P

Same with welded..

[alien]

haha but with a welded you cant say it slid out unexpectedly... cos it was well expected =P

When mine was welded, every corner was a sideways one in the wet... there was just no stopping it, even driving in first gear around a roundabout it used to kick the ass out... the ONLY way not to slide was not to touch any pedals while cornering, and thats gay.

[taszook]

well i know someone who runs lockrights front and rear in his hilux and has no problems at all on road. only problem he said was in 4l it didnt like to turn in mud xD so from what he has told me i've ordered a spartan locker, not sure why i chose the spartan over lockright think it looked like a better design to me haha. hopefully have it by the weekend and i'll make my own decision on it

[steak_knife]

taszook wrote:

well i know someone who runs lockrights front and rear in his hilux and has no problems at all on road. only problem he said was in 4l it didnt like to turn in mud xD so from what he has told me i've ordered a spartan locker, not sure why i chose the spartan over lockright think it looked like a better design to me haha. hopefully have it by the weekend and i'll make my own decision on it

Linky????

Pic's???

[alien]

[Red89]

steknig wrote:

taszook wrote:

well i know someone who runs lockrights front and rear in his hilux and has no problems at all on road. only problem he said was in 4l it didnt like to turn in mud xD so from what he has told me i've ordered a spartan locker, not sure why i chose the spartan over lockright think it looked like a better design to me haha. hopefully have it by the weekend and i'll make my own decision on it

Linky????

Pic's???

http://www.locktup4x4.com.au/blog/?cat=6

[steak_knife]

Red89 wrote:

steknig wrote:

taszook wrote:

well i know someone who runs lockrights front and rear in his hilux and has no problems at all on road. only problem he said was in 4l it didnt like to turn in mud xD so from what he has told me i've ordered a spartan locker, not sure why i chose the spartan over lockright think it looked like a better design to me haha. hopefully have it by the weekend and i'll make my own decision on it

Linky????

Pic's???

http://www.locktup4x4.com.au/blog/?cat=6

Cheer's mate..

[joeblow]

taszook wrote:

i've ordered a spartan locker, not sure why i chose the spartan over lockright think it looked like a better design to me haha.

it is ED ZACHARY the same!

[taszook]

joeblow wrote:

taszook wrote:

i've ordered a spartan locker, not sure why i chose the spartan over lockright think it looked like a better design to me haha.

it is ED ZACHARY the same!

not quite, the spring/pin set up is different and easier to install xD

[skelaaleks]

Depends on how much money you have
Welding would be your cheapest option. + you dont have to worry about air pumps and junk.

Side note a fully locked diff (welded or proper full spool) will make your zook a bit more driveable on the highways

[Ben_Sierra]

skelaaleks wrote:

Depends on how much money you have
Welding would be your cheapest option. + you dont have to worry about air pumps and junk.

Side note a fully locked diff (welded or proper full spool) will make your zook a bit more driveable on the highways

More drivable than what, a lockwrong?

Anything is more driveable than a lockwrong!

[skelaaleks]

more drivable than standard.
Well i believe anyway

[Ben_Sierra]

Welded is more drivable on road than open?

In what way??

[Moph]

Just to add to the debate ... my Lockwrongs Lockright, at least the one in the rear. On our recent 4200km trip up north I did not hear one click, bang or anything else from the rear diff, nor any squirrely on-road behaviour (possibly due to loaded rear shelves + ball weight of trailer giving tonnes of traction at the rear). That was highway driving plus poodling around town for the missus to gawk at bookshops and the like.

I have adjusted my driving style in the Zook slightly and drive very conservatively on-road in it anyway (not wanting to attract any attention), and I can honestly say that for the most part I forget the rear locker is there. It was quite loud in carparks when first installed but a tube of Nulon G70 and 5000km seems to have fixed that.

Take it as you like

[neofitou]

I've got the Spartan too.
Yes I coast around every roundabout.
I'm getting another one for the front.


Auto lockers are crap and illegal dont use them on a road registered car.
Like I do.

[Moph]

Is NCOP the current legislation or is it still in draft form? I've been searching for the regulation relating to locking differentials and can only find it in NCOP, which I had some vague idea wasn't currently in force.

"Permanently locking the differential, including the use of "spools" or welding, to prevent any difference in speed between the wheels on any axle is not permitted. Proprietor "Part-time" differential locking devices are permitted, provided that the driver can control it from the normal seating position."

Unfortunately I don't think they mean "control it" via the throttle

[joeblow]

Moph wrote:

Is NCOP the current legislation or is it still in draft form? I've been searching for the regulation relating to locking differentials and can only find it in NCOP, which I had some vague idea wasn't currently in force.

"Permanently locking the differential, including the use of "spools" or welding, to prevent any difference in speed between the wheels on any axle is not permitted. Proprietor "Part-time" differential locking devices are permitted, provided that the driver can control it from the normal seating position."

Unfortunately I don't think they mean "control it" via the throttle

its always been law.

[Moph]

joeblow wrote:

its always been law.

Cool. Think it was VSI50 I was getting confused with.

[alien]

and what bones you more is WA is trialling NCOP - so here, its law.

[3cyl]

So that'd make Detroit illegal also, even though they come on some trucks as standard? Now I'll admit I do prefer a manual locker especially on a touring style car, but I ran rear welded on the LJ50 for a while and it was really hard on the gear, twisted axles, broken gearbox / transfer mounts, all running 33hp of 3 cylinder 2 stroke power ( but it was predictable). Attracted lots more attention in carparks and servos than lockrights too.

[skelaaleks]

Ben_Sierra wrote:

Welded is more drivable on road than open?

In what way??

car does not get effected by wind as much(trucks and stuff going past)
but basicaly just sitts more settle.

[joeblow]

skelaaleks wrote:

Ben_Sierra wrote:

Welded is more drivable on road than open?

In what way??

car does not get effected by wind as much(trucks and stuff going past)
but basicaly just sitts more settle.

WTF?