[zooky08]

hey just wondering if any of you auszookers guys have any spare time to design me my cage in autocad for me. its a bit doggy but wat do u exspect from a noob would be much easier to show a engineer the design then explain it to him. is there any autocad pro's out there that can help me, ill be much appreciated


cheer Aaron

[skelaaleks]

i would say that is enough of a sketch to show him what you want

just make sure you go show him where you want the pipes to go/land etc.

No point drawing anything better because they wont really be able to use it.

[Fatzook]

just use that. Unless you or your engineer have CAD you won't be able to view the file anyway..

[BlueSuzy]

Lack of tech.

[zooky08]

ok dout they would have cad so ill show him this, thanks

[joeblow]

Fatzook wrote:

just use that. Unless you or your engineer have CAD you won't be able to view the file anyway..

alot of good cad software will allow you to save the model as a 3D pdf.....so you can spin it 'round etc.

[steve]

what do you need an engineer for? they don't do anything, you need someone that can make a cage.

[jdk81]

The bar work looks great for the kids, but what do you plan to bolt your monkey bars to?

I would be sceptical about the point of a cage bolted to the sierra body panels.

Id suggest to mount the bars to the chassis rails, do it properly or dont bother.

I can draw it, but dont want to.

By the way, your top view is incorrect compared to the isometric drawing. The front support bars going vertically down in the iso, and in the top view its going somewhere else completely.

Be prepared for questions from the engineer though. He may tell you to minimalise your design.

[zooky08]

jdk81 wrote:

The bar work looks great for the kids, but what do you plan to bolt your monkey bars to?

I would be sceptical about the point of a cage bolted to the sierra body panels.

Id suggest to mount the bars to the chassis rails, do it properly or dont bother.

I can draw it, but dont want to.

By the way, your top view is incorrect compared to the isometric drawing. The front support bars going vertically down in the iso, and in the top view its going somewhere else completely.

Be prepared for questions from the engineer though. He may tell you to minimalise your design.

I didn't no how the to do the top view so I did any thing yes the fronts bars are ment to go straight down

I was thinking of foot plates inside the cab and under the cab, is that a bad idea?

Its not a engineer I don't think im geting the cage done from a place were they do speedway car cages so surely they know what the best way to go about it.

[BlueSuzy]

I thought there was no way to engineer a 6 point cage now?

The tabs/floorplates will be fine, They will save you, but not the car. Also lowspeed crashes only.

A stock wt lwb has a rollbar in the rear just infront of the backdoor, It is mounted through the body only and mounts ontop of the corners also.

For the top, i would get rid of the straight bar, but keep the X. I would do an X in the back also. not just 1 /.

[weaves]

jdk81 wrote:

The bar work looks great for the kids, but what do you plan to bolt your monkey bars to?

I would be sceptical about the point of a cage bolted to the sierra body panels.

Id suggest to mount the bars to the chassis rails, do it properly or dont bother.

I can draw it, but dont want to.

By the way, your top view is incorrect compared to the isometric drawing. The front support bars going vertically down in the iso, and in the top view its going somewhere else completely.

Be prepared for questions from the engineer though. He may tell you to minimalise your design.

Isn't it a massive no no to mount a internal cage direct to chassis unless the chassis is incorperated into the floorpan of your car like a normal sedan.

I was told its like this because if the body dislogding from the chassis in a rollover/accident because it could crush you between the moving body and the cage.

weaves

[steve]

zooky08 wrote:

Its not a engineer I don't think im geting the cage done from a place were they do speedway car cages so surely they know what the best way to go about it.

yeah just show them some basic drawings or find some photos on the net of some peoples cages in sierras. Bolting it all to the body is what everyone does.

[zooky08]

BlueSuzy wrote:

I thought there was no way to engineer a 6 point cage now?

The tabs/floorplates will be fine, They will save you, but not the car. Also lowspeed crashes only.

A stock wt lwb has a rollbar in the rear just infront of the backdoor, It is mounted through the body only and mounts ontop of the corners also.

For the top, i would get rid of the straight bar, but keep the X. I would do an X in the back also. not just 1 /.

Im pritty sure u can get them engineered but you have to have padding were ever your head is

I rather save myself then the car any day

Ok thanks ill think about ur idea, it might change later on. Its just a rough idea atm

[tanshi]

yeah in QLD you can get them engineered,

[Reubs]

zooky08 wrote:

is there any autocad pro's out there that can help me, ill be much appreciated

I'm an AutoCAD pro, however I think the fabricator making the cage would be better off taking his measurements from your car as he goes rather than a set of drawings.

When bending tube unless your bends are spot on and your welds are made perfectly in the right places (which could probably only be done with a computerised bender and a pre-made jig) there will be some small amount of error and any precise drawings would be a waste. You are probably better off drawing detailed sketches by hand over pictures of your car. I don't see why an engineer couldn't give you the go or no-go ahead from well thought sketches.

[zooky08]

Ill be giving them the drawings and ill be giving them the car as well to make it easier

[Fatzook]

weaves wrote:

Isn't it a massive no no to mount a internal cage direct to chassis unless the chassis is incorperated into the floorpan of your car like a normal sedan.

I was told its like this because if the body dislogding from the chassis in a rollover/accident because it could crush you between the moving body and the cage.

weaves

No its not a no no. It just has to be done properly.

And cage mounted seats are a good option with a chassis mounted internal aswell.

[zooky08]

is there away that they can put the cage so i can still have the back seats in

[TZAR]

zooky08 wrote:

hey just wondering if any of you auszookers guys have any spare time to design me my cage in n00bcad for me.

[Fatzook]

zooky08 wrote:

is there away that they can put the cage so i can still have the back seats in

Not with the cross brace and harness bar. They would most certainly be within the rear passengers head collision zone.

Lose the bracing or lose the seat. (lose the seat )

[zooky08]

Fatzook wrote:

zooky08 wrote:

is there away that they can put the cage so i can still have the back seats in

Not with the cross brace and harness bar. They would most certainly be within the rear passengers head collision zone.

Lose the bracing or lose the seat. (lose the seat )

what if you get the bars padded? still wont let you put the back seats in

[TZAR]

n00bcad

[zooky08]

i thought i was bad at it, that clearly shows a noobcad

[Fatzook]

zooky08 wrote:

Fatzook wrote:

zooky08 wrote:

is there away that they can put the cage so i can still have the back seats in

Not with the cross brace and harness bar. They would most certainly be within the rear passengers head collision zone.

Lose the bracing or lose the seat. (lose the seat )

what if you get the bars padded? still wont let you put the back seats in

No. Padding is not sufficent. The bars would also greatly reduce leg room.

[zooky08]

Fatzook wrote:

zooky08 wrote:

Fatzook wrote:

zooky08 wrote:

is there away that they can put the cage so i can still have the back seats in

Not with the cross brace and harness bar. They would most certainly be within the rear passengers head collision zone.

Lose the bracing or lose the seat. (lose the seat )

what if you get the bars padded? still wont let you put the back seats in

No. Padding is not sufficent. The bars would also greatly reduce leg room.

awww well thats just great isnt it, tuff decision. seats or bars

[Fatzook]

zooky08 wrote:

Fatzook wrote:

zooky08 wrote:

Fatzook wrote:

zooky08 wrote:

is there away that they can put the cage so i can still have the back seats in

Not with the cross brace and harness bar. They would most certainly be within the rear passengers head collision zone.

Lose the bracing or lose the seat. (lose the seat )

what if you get the bars padded? still wont let you put the back seats in

No. Padding is not sufficent. The bars would also greatly reduce leg room.

awww well thats just great isnt it, tuff decision. seats or bars

Ditch the seat. Any occupants in the back will be unprotected. And if you are driving places where you think you could benifit from a cage, then you shouldn't compromise on its design, and you shouldn't have passengers in the back.

JMO
Peter

[zooky08]

ok just want to have the seats in when i go up the beach for schoolies oh well they can walk know

[Fatzook]

zooky08 wrote:

ok just want to have the seats in when i go up the beach for schoolies oh well they can walk know

If you convinced the engineer to let you move the rear bench seat back so it touched the tailgate, you may be able to get enough room to keep him happy. But this will be yet more expense, and 2 more mod plates ( seat mod and seat restraint mod)

Tell your mates to rent mopeds

[zooky08]

Fatzook wrote:

zooky08 wrote:

ok just want to have the seats in when i go up the beach for schoolies oh well they can walk know

If you convinced the engineer to let you move the rear bench seat back so it touched the tailgate, you may be able to get enough room to keep him happy. But this will be yet more expense, and 2 more mod plates ( seat mod and seat restraint mod)

Tell your mates to rent mopeds

the cage is quite a reasonable price, how much would the mod plate be for the cage? it isnt a bech seat there two seperate seats.

3 hr trip on mopeds might see them the next day

[Fatzook]

zooky08 wrote:

the cage is quite a reasonable price, how much would the mod plate be for the cage? it isnt a bech seat there two seperate seats. About $100 per mod.

3 hr trip on mopeds might see them the next day

3hrs is a sierra!! I'll take the moped