[christover1]

steknig wrote:

Xl7's are different to Gv. Hence different to Vit.

It looked the same, but it was only a quick look..what are the differences?

[atari4x4]

joeblow wrote:

oh...and atari....why is there a dodgy arsed weld blurred out in one of your pics?

they are picks i stole of the internetx, now 100% sure whats going on with that weird blurry bit, but i think it might be to hide the dodgyness of the hagan widening mod, where they redrill the bolt hole on the rear crossmember....

[steak_knife]

christover1 wrote:

steknig wrote:

Xl7's are different to Gv. Hence different to Vit.

It looked the same, but it was only a quick look..what are the differences?

XL7's electric operation & Gv's vacc, I'm think the the XL7's are bigger to.
The housing bolt's together where the Gv is one bit..

[joeblow]

chris, the XL7 diff is a salisbury (dana) type and completely different. it will not work.

[christover1]

It must have been a gv I was lookin at then, will make sure before committing...

[christover1]

I intend to get an empty axle housing and pinion housing, and re use all my vit mechanicals, which is already converted to manual hubs..

[christover1]

Bit of research done. There is both types of front diff fitted to xl7's.
The salisbury type looks totally different, so I can't make a mistake.
Not sure why some are different, so I'd better look see before buying.

[christover1]

Another mishearing, or misunderstanding by me.
I only got the axle housing steel piece, without pinion housing.
It was an XL7 and did have correct diff, so there must be two options.

I have to wait for a broken one to come in,
to be able to afford an empty pinion housing.

May revisit fitting Sierra housing if that takes too long.
Or strengthen the alloy one.
Or just keep looking thru wreckers for a full steely.
Hope I didn't waste more money

[christover1]

Got a bit of cash together at last.
So now we are hunting for a steel front diff.
At wreckers and online parts locators (thanks CJ good idea)
Found a maybe 2 1/2 hours away,
just waiting for more info to make sure it is steel.
Is there anything I can ask, to try and avoid a wasted trip?
I'm told its a 98 GV with steel front, but have not seen it yet

christover

[christover1]

"its the late model one, so we will supply the mount as well."

Part of a reply from a zook wrecker.
Is a "late model"front diff going to be useful for me?

[atari4x4]

i missed this update, here are a couple of pics showing the early & late mounts.

late model


early model




this link shows how much the sump on the SV420 (2.0L) needed to be adjusted to get the late model pinion mount to work, i'm not sure how much clearance there is on the 1.6 SE416 vitara's

http://auszookers.com/index.php?name=Fo ... 639#128639

[christover1]

Thanks heaps, will try for the 98 model that is on offer, but will go for a later model if needed.
Internet shopping is scarey, hope it is a steely.
I been almost sold axle housings and other wrong bits a couple a times.
If I wanted to modify to fit, would go back to fitting a Sierra front diff.
It does look like the xl7 mount, which looked like it would fit mine.
You did a good job breaking that diff

[Timbo_]

grave dig.

Putting a sierra rear into front anvil housing. Its so close to fitting its not funny. Need to attack it with a grinder to make it fit.

Got some questions.

Anyone done this modification with 3inch diff drop brackets?

[atari4x4]

Christover, they're not my pics, those were stolen from outers.

This thread has some good ideas on different pinion mount options. There is another thread but I can't find it at the moment. http://bbs.zuwharrie.com/content?topic=100689.0;all

[christover1]

atari4x4 wrote:

Christover, they're not my pics, those were stolen from outers.

This thread has some good ideas on different pinion mount options. There is another thread but I can't find it at the moment. http://bbs.zuwharrie.com/content?topic=100689.0;all

cool thanks.
will get into that when I got a chance.
Have paid for and ordered a diff from qld, hoping it is correct when it gets here, asked all questions I could

[christover1]

atari4x4 wrote:

Christover, they're not my pics, those were stolen from outers.

This thread has some good ideas on different pinion mount options. There is another thread but I can't find it at the moment. http://bbs.zuwharrie.com/content?topic=100689.0;all

that was an inspirational read, some good thoughts in that thread.
thanks

[atari4x4]

this was the other one i was thinking of... http://www.izook.com/tech/tracker/pinion/pinion.htm

[christover1]

atari4x4 wrote:

this was the other one i was thinking of... http://www.izook.com/tech/tracker/pinion/pinion.htm

cheers, good stuff

[christover1]

Look what the Stork brought for me today
Via Maryborough Wreckers Qld and a TNT truck.
Thought I'd better check it was steel, paranioa plus

[atari4x4]

you'll be able to off load the 4.3 or 4.6 R&P to one of those sierra owners

[christover1]

atari4x4 wrote:

Armsup you'll be able to off load the 4.3 or 4.6 R&P to one of those sierra owners

I likes Ya thinkings, will offset some of the cost.
Will check ratio in future, not allowed to lift anything yet.
It has a vaccuum inlet/outlet on it, maybe part of auto free wheel?
I'll just block that off.

Now to save for a locker to go in it.

[atari4x4]

the vaccuum is the locking mechanism to engage the front diff, GV run a drive flange thingo instead of free wheeling hubs. e.g. the CV's spin the whole time & the diff center locks/unlocks.

[christover1]

atari4x4 wrote:

the vaccuum is the locking mechanism to engage the front diff, GV run a drive flange thingo instead of free wheeling hubs. e.g. the CV's spin the whole time & the diff center locks/unlocks.

Maybe broke too many free wheeling hubs.
Mines been converted to manual free wheeling hubs.
Nobody seems to like them, maybe GV system more reliable?

[christover1]

I came across an unexpected issue, but easy fixed.
Is only a problem if using a Sierra carrier into steel GV diffs
that use an internal mechanism in place of free wheel hubs

[neofitou]

Does this mean its all done?
You are probably under the car right now.

[christover1]

neofitou wrote:

Does this mean its all done?
You are probably under the car right now.

diff and axle housing all together.
Just needs fitting to car.
But that has to wait till sunday or monday

[christover1]

PS
EPIC FAIL

One Vitara drive shaft is fatter than the other, did not allow for that.
Got diff and locker all together ...but alas drivers side Vit shaft no fit into sierra carrier.
Made drive shaft fit with grinder, to test locker, but of course it leaked badly.
Locker not unlocking too well, so must play with clearances anyway.

Choices that I can think of
1. do conversion to fit passenger side bolted type to drivers side.
That would work, but cost factor is high.

2. I really think the Sierra locker will work in the Vitaras 2 pinion carrier, as long as I use Sierra side gears..
cheaper option, but unsure if it will function.

3. Cant think of anything nice

For now, will pull diff out and be 2wd again while thinkings.

[Built4thrashing]

Lockright auto lockers fit and function in sierra 2 pin ctrs fine if you want one to try. PJzook has one in his and it worked fine.

Ive got a sierra 2 pin carrier here if you need one.


B4T

[christover1]

Built4thrashing wrote:

Lockright auto lockers fit and function in sierra 2 pin ctrs fine. PJzook has one in his and it worked fine.

Ive got a sierra 2 pin carrier here if you need one.


B4T

thanks but its the sierra carrier thats a problem, where the drive shaft slides thru on one side dont fit.
But I have 2 vit carriers so will try putting it in in a vit one tomorrow.
I can't see any reason why it cant fit, as long as I use my side gears

[Built4thrashing]

have you tried a vit side gear in the sierra carrier?
or is it that the axle wont sild into where the side gear is.?


Im watching your progress closely as if it works i might do the same in my new GV


B4T