[troyboy94]

hey every one
just to start of my name is troy and today i decided to join ur forum (as recomended by a freind) i am sixteen years old and looking to buy a suzuki siera/vitara (prob siera coz i am told they are better of road) ever since i can remember i have been 4wding with my parents and now i have a chance i would like to get into it myself. i was just wondering if any of you wolud be able to assist me in finding a car i have a smallish budget and i am looking at spending around 1-2 grand ish... i am still learning about thease little beasts and i hear nothing but great reviews: i am prob starting the great debate hear but what are the pros and cons of the siera vs vitara and any info on some cheep deals would be greatly apreciated look 4word to hearing from u all
ta troy

[troyboy94]

preferably cars 4 purchase in wa only

[SuziBlu]

gday mate, welcome to the site.

There are pluses and minuses for both cars. The sierra is an awesome offroader, but sorta sux onroad, its cheap to make into a true offroad weapon.

The vitara is a fine offroader, and if you have money to spare can also be made into a offroad weapon, but, its a nice onroad car, more power, better fual economy, rides and brakes far better, quieter, in all, both are very good cars.

IF its offroad mostly, sierra.

[shep]

don't call me a nancy but i would rather see a new driver in a vitara rather then a sierra.
they are a lot more forgiving and when the inevitable happens they are safer to crash.


crap i am getting old.

[troyboy94]

welli love 4wding and most of my oldr mates the ones i goe play 4wding with all have big v8 cruisers and i wanted somthing that will keep up in mud and sand as well as looks cool ( i an young after all) ever since i was little we have been 4wding we used to go up to wedge island almost every weekend untill i was 5 or 6 then my parents joined a 4wd club and now we do ALOT of remote dessert traveling.. i realise that to do this ur gonna need deisle and prob a bigger car but i am not financialy able to do so at the moment so i was looking just for a play 4wd that i can cruise of itno the mud with or have a play on the sand dunesn etc but a cheepy aswell i am thinking a siera will be the way to go..thanks a heep 4 ur help...r u from wa urslef

[troyboy94]

shep wrote:

don't call me a nancy but i would rather see a new driver in a vitara rather then a sierra.
they are a lot more forgiving and when the inevitable happens they are safer to crash.


crap i am getting old.

ha ha ha yeah am realy keen 4 4wding and i belive the sieras are cheeper in price and to mod up than the vittas and i would be looking at a realy early vittara u still recon that there safer and without me being rude can i ask why

[4x4ish]

1-2k will be hard to get one for that price. if you do it will be flogged.

3k will start giving u a few options but still not much.

either one you will have lots of fun in mate.

and welcome to the forum.

[shep]

haha sierras are held together with big #3 screws vitaras actually use bolts and stuff. but seriously they are wider and have better brakes and will still out wheel any of the fat cars.

when my boy gets his license he is getting a really tired 2wd diesel single cab hilux.
no power and no passengers.

[troyboy94]

i hear that there reasonably simple engins i am reasonably mechanicaly minded and my big bro is a heavy diesel mechanic so idealy somthing cheep but driveable would be best a freind of mine just picked one up a few days ago for $350 bucks slapped a ew carby on it and its running like new its got a little rust but nothing terible...was looking 4 somthing like this hopfully. I am not to desperate i dont get my licence till july next year but if somthing pops up i am keen to have a look..and thanks u all 4 da welcoms...slight mechanical probs are probably ok

[troyboy94]

shep wrote:

haha sierras are held together with big #3 screws vitaras actually use bolts and stuff. but seriously they are wider and have better brakes and will still out wheel any of the fat cars.

when my boy gets his license he is getting a really tired 2wd diesel single cab hilux.
no power and no passengers.

yeah i made a deal with my old man that if he bought me a good stereo i would take i back seats out.

[troyboy94]

hey all u people voting if a wouldnt mind would u be able to cuck in a little info as to why u voted that what the pros and cons are and am also interetsed in reasonably simple mods sorta stuff i can do myslef with mywelder and some aluminium/steel reely am keen to lern about these cars...even if its just taht u think fuzzie dice look beter on vitaras let us know lol,,catch yas

[atari4x4]

i voted for a sierra as you'll struggle to find a vitara for that sort of money.

[redzook91]

I went vitara for reasons of comfort, brakes, power (it's a relative thing), fuel economy, space, coil-springs, reliability (efi in particular), power steering, air-con, underdog capability (most people reckon they'll go nowhere then you drive rings around them) and everyday driveability.

Things that may piss you off about them - lack of flex in the front (IFS, talk to joeblow about a good solution for this ), the alloy front diff, more expensive to mod over sierras in terms of lifting and gearing and the fact that there isn't as wide a range of accessories available as you may want (or they are too bleeding expensive).

All that said, however, I will go back to a vitara when mine dies - she does everything i ask of her and costs me bugger all to run.

Just my opinion as a vitara owner

[MacDaddy]

troyboy94 wrote:

hey every one
just to start of my name is troy and today i decided to join ur forum (as recomended by a freind) i am sixteen years old and looking to buy a suzuki siera/vitara (prob siera coz i am told they are better of road) ever since i can remember i have been 4wding with my parents and now i have a chance i would like to get into it myself. i was just wondering if any of you wolud be able to assist me in finding a car i have a smallish budget and i am looking at spending around 1-2 grand ish... i am still learning about thease little beasts and i hear nothing but great reviews: i am prob starting the great debate hear but what are the pros and cons of the siera vs vitara and any info on some cheep deals would be greatly apreciated look 4word to hearing from u all
ta troy

Welcome to Auszookers !

Always good to see another Perthite here...

I voted Vit... because i owned a 89 Vit for 2 years, and i friggin loved it !
Great onroad and offroad, good power/torque, and i am a big fan of coil suspension, i would get another one if anything happened to my Grand Vit !

Have you tried ebay or Quokka ? If you have some mechanical knowledge, it will make it easier to check out/over a Zook before you pay for it... personally, i would get a Vit, they are more forgiving and stable... i see Zooks around for private and dealership sale at least once a month, so will keep an eye out for you, but you will be looking at $2K minimum for a decent one... but, occasionally, a private cheap sale will land you a gem, thats possibly never been offroad, owned by an old couple who dont know its true value... but they are rare... Good Luck !

[96vitara]

i voted sierra even though ive just bought a vit, all mates of mine have sierras and and all illegally done a spring over conversion, couple hours and free 4 inch suspension lift. its just so cheap to do these things into weapons

[troyboy94]

in my head i see me buying a nice lottle 4B that i can in the next five years turn into a reel offroad wepon then i can piss of when i finish all my studdies...but most importantly somthing that dosent eat fuel and is reasonably cheep to mod (i hear that you can go along way with a welder some metal a grinder and a lot of time) hhhhmmmm i know nthat all you perants are going to pounce on this put....power wise what are they like...are they realy that bad (whats top speed)

[ando_zook94]

I picked up my zook for 300, stock! Just needed a new carby, 3 years later I started moddin it, didn't realize how good it was, very capable car mate, . (Sierra 94)

[lukes_89]

i went sierra as for offroad they are better and i own a lwb so biased... also a sierra is a cheaper car to own in the way of mods and and repairs and so forth, easy to work on and they are pretty cool cruising around with no roof and stuff on. and with your budget you will struggle to find any vitara but a cheap sierra that you could work on over the next coming months before you get your licence. on the other hand i did want to sell my sierra and buy a vitara for the fact of the sierra is a bit rough and no where near the same comfort level as the vitara and the vitara is a better daily driver car and is more in the way of saftey as well. the sierras are slow i can get about 110 out of mine but thats because im running 31's and stock gearing but in saying this they can still get you a fine. it all depends what you want, a car to learn the roads and how to drive on your own in i would say vitara, but something to flog to all death and take off road and not care if you dint and so forth sierra. as every one will tell you you dont actually learn how to drive until you get your p's because before then your driving to a standard of how your parents or whoever is driving with you on your l's and the department of transport. when you get your licence you will grow your own driving style and learn how you want to drive.

[troyboy94]

how easy is the 1.6 liter enigin concersion...is it like a weekend job or

[Ben_Sierra]

troyboy94 wrote:

how easy is the 1.6 liter enigin concersion...is it like a weekend job or

Carby or EFI....?

EFI = LOTS of wiring...

[lukes_89]

troyboy94 wrote:

how easy is the 1.6 liter enigin concersion...is it like a weekend job or

your a p plater champ your not allowed to do this conversion for at least 3 years till your on your opens if you plan on daily driving it

[troyboy94]

carby i would say haha lots of wiring as in impossible or as in will take a wile to figure every thing out...and why cant id do this ove done heeps of engine conversions before...(by heaps i mean 5 or 6 hahaha) seriously why wouldnt i be able to do this..i live in wa

[troyboy94]

or the supercharger/ suzuki swift conversion any one knwo about this

[Ben_Sierra]

lukes_89 wrote:

troyboy94 wrote:

how easy is the 1.6 liter enigin concersion...is it like a weekend job or

your a p plater champ your not allowed to do this conversion for at least 3 years till your on your opens if you plan on daily driving it

In WA we don't have gay rules about engines for P-platers...

[troyboy94]

hahaha yeah if i dont buy one of thease i might buy my mates 75 series landcruisewr ute with a 350 chev in it (on gas) yes i know u parents are freeking but its got the standard landcruiser gearbox but reduced diff ratios so it ony dose 110 haha front and rear lockers but its auto and in realy whant a manual...and he wants a bit to much 4 it

[foonji]

troyboy94 wrote:

....power wise what are they like...are they realy that bad (whats top speed)

top speed is the posted speed limit

[troyboy94]

hahaha so will they do 130 in nt

[foonji]

If its on good working order, you'll be up there revvin your tits off.

[shep]

troyboy94 wrote:

hahaha so will they do 130 in nt

my hardtop 1.6 sierra could do 130kph but it was frighting. worse
then my old 1971 40 series softtop at 120mph and it took both lanes off the road to go in a straightish line.

[troyboy94]

hahaha yeah i prob wont be doing 130 as long as it will comforatbly do 100 coz in the 4wd club im in thats what we cruze at on road, am thinking that the 1.6 would be nice though or a turbo...haha a blower would probably kill a little engine like that