[zukenutter]

What can you tell me about twin stick transfer case shift kits. Or similar devices.

[steve]

they are completely useless and of no use in the real world, only usefull in the fantasy world. Hows that?

[zukenutter]

steve wrote:

they are completely useless and of no use in the real world, only usefull in the fantasy world. Hows that?

A little bit pointless

Now what can you actually tell me about it?

[steve]

why is that pointless?

sounds like you just want fantasy reasons.

[royce]

you get somewhere to hang another stubby cooler
you get 2wd lowrange, what use that is to anyone is unsure to a lot of people, but those with it say its useful, without stating why

[steve]

People say you have "more control", but i don't see how.

How much difference would it make? it's more for fluffing around, not actual driving,

[steve]

zukenutter wrote:

steve wrote:

they are completely useless and of no use in the real world, only usefull in the fantasy world. Hows that?

A little bit pointless

Now what can you actually tell me about it?

My appologees, i think you are serious? I thought you were just pushing the "twin stick" debate again. Sorry.

[CairnsZook]

royce wrote:

you get somewhere to hang another stubby cooler
you get 2wd lowrange, what use that is to anyone is unsure to a lot of people, but those with it say its useful, without stating why

I used 2wd lowrange today to back a trailer up my driveway. Quite usefull, as you can just idle up nice and slowly. I don't have a twin stick though, I just engaged L4 but didn't lock the hubs.

[zukenutter]

Typed below before your last replies thanks for the change in direction appreciate that. Cairnszook understands.

As my Jim is my only car and therefore multi-purpose, I want it to do all its duties well, one of which is towing our trailer. Often I come off soft sand and onto a hard surface but still want low range so I can stay off the clutch while maneuvering. Nice to not have to unlock the hubs to do it.
I've seen some great drivers using the 2 low option to great advantage. Works best, of course, when combined with a locker.

All of that said, fantasy does come into play.
Remember 'Earthquake' with Charlton Heston? He had a cool (at the time) Bronco or similar with some sort of twin stick arrangement which I've wanted ever since. So yeah I want it just because I can.

So, what's on the market and what can you tell me about their pros and cons?

[SuziBlu]

I use 2wd low where im doing boat or any trailer work, no need to bung the hubs in, like Cairnszook says. Its slow and easy, no need to feather the clutch.

I have no idea of any other uses for 2wd low.

[shakes]

Serious question.

Does it do any long term damage to your front hubs/diff/transfer by sticking in 4wd for said short reverse. I know high speed stuff does/can effect it, but a couple hundred metres at worst?

[SierraDan]

Nah.

[shakes]

Thats what I thought. So why all this fuss over needing to select 2wd low? I can see a need once in a blue moon to be able to do it with the hubs locked in in the bush. (like once out of 3000 drives) but for the reasons given in this thread I don't see a point, when you wont damage your car anyway?

[Gwagensteve]

Shakes - that depends on the surface, and how much cornering you have to do. If it's dry tarmac, there's plenty of traction so there's no need to lock the front hubs - 2WD Low is fine.

If it's slippery enough to warrant locking the hubs then no damage could be done in 4WD low.

I have a twisted T shift kit. It allows the function of twin sticks (2L with the hubs locked) without the MASSIVE disadvantage - Twin sticks require the removal of the detent ball between the rails which acts as an interlock. With the interlock detent removed, it is possible that the transfer can pop into neutral when in 2WD. It was happening to me all the time. On the highway. At 100km/h. You have to stop to re-engage drive.

Royce, you have a shit memory. I have posted about the limited usefulness (so feel free to read as uselessness) of twin sticks on several occasions, possibly every time the twin stick question comes up.

I wouldn't spend money on twin sticks because they are unsafe and have very limited uses.

My TT kit is safe, but is still of limited usefulness, just like a rear disconnect, which I also have.

They are both a much better idea on paper than in reality.

Steve.

Early broncos had Dana 20 transfers. From memory, there were twin stick from the factory, just like early land rovers.

[royce]

Gwagensteve wrote:

Royce, you have a shit memory. I have posted about the limited usefulness (so feel free to read as uselessness) of twin sticks on several occasions, possibly every time the twin stick question comes up.

Yeah but I also ignore you a lot too

so the only useful thing is you can have lowrange without driving the front with teh hubs locked?

sure if you needed that a lot go with it but I dont see that coming up a lot compared to the negatives of installing it

[lump_a_charcoal]

I found my twin sticks to be a pain in the ass. I could never remember which one did what, plus they were a nightmare to seal up. No rubber boots that I could find would fit.

Waste of money IMO, for normal 4wding.

[dominator]

Gwagensteve wrote:

Shakes - that depends on the surface, and how much cornering you have to do. If it's dry tarmac, there's plenty of traction so there's no need to lock the front hubs - 2WD Low is fine.

If it's slippery enough to warrant locking the hubs then no damage could be done in 4WD low.

I have a twisted T shift kit. It allows the function of twin sticks (2L with the hubs locked) without the MASSIVE disadvantage - Twin sticks require the removal of the detent ball between the rails which acts as an interlock. With the interlock detent removed, it is possible that the transfer can pop into neutral when in 2WD. It was happening to me all the time. On the highway. At 100km/h. You have to stop to re-engage drive.

Royce, you have a shit memory. I have posted about the limited usefulness (so feel free to read as uselessness) of twin sticks on several occasions, possibly every time the twin stick question comes up.

I wouldn't spend money on twin sticks because they are unsafe and have very limited uses.

My TT kit is safe, but is still of limited usefulness, just like a rear disconnect, which I also have.

They are both a much better idea on paper than in reality.

Steve.

Early broncos had Dana 20 transfers. From memory, there were twin stick from the factory, just like early land rovers.

Completely agree with you Steve, the TT sticks are the go. I will be investing in one of these in the near future. Another advantage of 2lo is if like me you have a front mechanical locker you can put in 2lo so the front diff will unlock to allow a better turning circle while in Lo range, without unlocking hubs.

[tanshi]

i used them in my lj50 to make it easier to fit the sierra case.

twice now i have managed to use 2wd low to slide the back of the car around into a better position using 2wd low. but all in all its just there for ease of install of the case.

[Gwagensteve]

And that's the theoretical advantage- If you have enough traction.
I had my transfer apart and ordered a heap of stuff from lowrange so I chucked a TT in the box at the same time.

If the TT kit hadn't been available, I would have gone back to a normal pattern.

I am airlocked front though.

IMHO, certainly for here in Vic, disconnecting drive with an auto locker isn't the problem, unlocking a hub is what's really required.

Steve

[zukenutter]

I had no idea this has been discussed at length in the past. Oh well, sorry guys.

Thanks for the feedback so far. I've heard sealing these is impossible but had not heard about the jumping to neutral issue. FATZOOK showed me single stick kit which I can't remember the name of it but the Twisted T sounds just like It. Much as I'd like two sticks (just because it looks cool) this sounds like a much better option.

Saw this while googling http://www.shropshire-suzuki.co.uk/foru ... 33163909b9

[31zook]

i have buttom line locks F&R and with rear steer i can dig the rear around.... i don't have my rear steer in yet btw....

[Teracis]

I've got a twisted TT kit like gwagensteve was suggesting.

It's good, It's easy as to install, it lets you do all those things they are talking about with 2wd low without locking the hubs, infact I used it last night to reverse the boat trailer...

The question is, which you have probably already answered, is it worth the $130 and the effort to put it in the transfer case?

[zukenutter]

Teracis wrote:

The question is, which you have probably already answered, is it worth the $130 and the effort to put it in the transfer case?

I'm down to the last few mods that have always been on my wish list and 2 Low is one of them. Is like I don't see the value in lockers unless you want to drive comp or extreme.

Different strokes for different folks.

[skyman]

Quote:

Another advantage of 2lo is if like me you have a front mechanical locker you can put in 2lo so the front diff will unlock to allow a better turning circle while in Lo range, without unlocking hubs.

For our trails if you run a front locker, it is a big deal. No more jumping out to unlock a hub.

[BlueSuzy]

My case was to be rebuilt anyway, so i bought the TwistedT to go in with the build.

Looks Bling

[Ben_Sierra]

If you have an open front diff like me, then its not a big drama to hop out the car and unlock the drivrs side hub. There's your 2wd low...

When I do go locked, it will be air in the front, so the same will still apply..

I just can't see the benefit of installing twin sticks or anything else for those very few occasions I would actually use 2wd low...

[Damo]

Not worth it IMO. I have twin sticks. I like them from the point of view that they engage positively. A small thing yes, but it's a plus.

That is far and away offset by how much of a PITA they are to install and how hard it makes getting the case in and out. Once I have to pull my transfer out (it is a MOLE of a job and I will be putting it off until I REALLY have to) i'll be pulling the twinsticks out and putting them up for sale.

[lump_a_charcoal]

Now that you remind me Damo, yeah mine were a real PITA to remove and install as well. I think it took an hour and a half to just install the box, not including driveshafts. Trying to attach the twin stick mounting plate to the case was a nightmare.

[Damo]

lump_a_charcoal wrote:

Now that you remind me Damo, yeah mine were a real PITA to remove and install as well. I think it took an hour and a half to just install the box, not including driveshafts. Trying to attach the twin stick mounting plate to the case was a nightmare.

Yep, my experience was similar.

I like making things easier to work on, not harder. Considering the limited benefits of the twinstick, the downside for me makes it not worth it.

[lump_a_charcoal]

I don't wanna harp on about it, but they made me wish I left the little detent ball in, when I rebuilt the case.