[suzooky87]

hey people
i live in NSW and i have just bought a jimny with a few awesome mods. Turns out that there is a bit more involved in buying a car from out of state, especially when there are modifications, i had no idea. the QLD rego has to be canciled and the car has to pass a blueslip. Now then all the modifications need to be removed and the car has to be reverted back to standard (reasonably anyway). Fortunatly i was given all the standard parts apart fron the wheels and tyres. So i have bought some standard wheels and tyres with good tread for $100 and removed the body lift and i think i may have to remove the 3" toughdog lift (which is awesome apart from the ride) Moral of the story - buy a standard car or get it engineered.

Just a heads-up for people who are non the wiser as i was.

[atari4x4]

[marq=up]BOLD LARGE TYPE SUCKS MORE THAN HAVING TO RETURN A CAR TO STANDARD[/marq]

[zuk_244]

Id have a talk to an engineer anyway. Some things like the body lift might not need to be taken off or might be easily engineered. Most of them are pretty good to deal with and will tell you what you can get away with.

[worldo]

that sucks suzooky if you need a hand changing it all back ill come give you a hand. who is doing the blueslip?

[Choppy]

why not just get it engineered? dont you have to pass a roady every year in nsw

[worldo]

yep every year before rego. my sierra passes a roady with bodylift, lift and tyres each year.

[BlueSuzy]

go as it is now. Nsw your allowed 2"body (is yours non airbags?) 2" spring, unengineered.

[zooktastic]

*cough* dodgey blueslip *cough*

[joel]

worldo wrote:

that sucks suzooky if you need a hand changing it all back ill come give you a hand. who is doing the blueslip?

i know this would have been posted before.... please dont hate.
but whats the go for qld?
can 31's be engineered?


and how does the 4.9 gears go with 31,s?

[Fatzook]

joel wrote:

but whats the go for qld?
can 31's be engineered?

Not under the current rules.

[joel]

Fatzook wrote:

joel wrote:

but whats the go for qld?
can 31's be engineered?

Not under the current rules.

that is ass.
qld the unlucky state huh.
well like i said, they day i get defected for 31's, they day the zook goes up for sale...

[joeblow]

suzooky87 wrote:

hey people
i live in NSW and i have just bought a jimny with a few awesome mods. Turns out that there is a bit more involved in buying a car from out of state, especially when there are modifications, i had no idea. the QLD rego has to be canciled and the car has to pass a blueslip. Now then all the modifications need to be removed and the car has to be reverted back to standard (reasonably anyway). Fortunatly i was given all the standard parts apart fron the wheels and tyres. So i have bought some standard wheels and tyres with good tread for $100 and removed the body lift and i think i may have to remove the 3" toughdog lift (which is awesome apart from the ride) Moral of the story - buy a standard car or get it engineered.

Just a heads-up for people who are non the wiser as i was.

Or just don't live in QLD!

[joel]

^^^ would stay in the N.T if i didnt have to rob a bank, be friend a rich old man and get my ring gear stripped so i could inherit some money to afford housing up here.
how bout a standard legislation so its clear black and white no matter what state your in. and legislation that is relevant to australian conditions and terrain, and not some bulshit euro crap.
if i cant keep 31's on a zook.... i cant keep my zook. simple.

[suzooky87]

atari4x4 wrote:

[marq=up]BOLD LARGE TYPE SUCKS MORE THAN HAVING TO RETURN A CAR TO STANDARD[/marq]

There u go atari, fixed it just for you.

[suzooky87]

zuk_244 wrote:

Id have a talk to an engineer anyway. Some things like the body lift might not need to be taken off or might be easily engineered. Most of them are pretty good to deal with and will tell you what you can get away with.

Going to try to avoid engineering it till I do a fee more things.

[suzooky87]

worldo wrote:

that sucks suzooky if you need a hand changing it all back ill come give you a hand. who is doing the blueslip?

Na, should be right nearly finished. Not sure where to get it done yet. Was going to go to Bird Automotive but they are on holidays. Where would u suggest?

[suzooky87]

BlueSuzy wrote:

go as it is now. Nsw your allowed 2"body (is yours non airbags?) 2" spring, unengineered.

3" spring. It would pass pink-slip but not a blueslip. Has to be either engineered or standard for a blueslip

[worldo]

i got mine done before mods at toormina auto care on hulberts rd.
not to sure of other places. maybe mills toms

[303zuke]

[quote="joel]how bout a standard legislation so its clear black and white no matter what state your in. and legislation that is relevant to australian conditions and terrain, and not some bulshit euro crap.[/quote]

There is a nation-wide specification for vehicles, it's called the Australian Design Rules, or ADRs. But if you mean nation-wide rules for vehicles modified beyond the factory-standard, well that's a lot harder to standardise across the country.

They tried to do that by implementing a National Code of Practice (NCOP) on vehicle modifications, but it was howled down by just about every stakeholder as unworkable as each and every State has some rule that is not permitted in another State. Somebody somewhere would have been up for a lot of money to re-modify their currently legal vehicle to meet the new national guidelines. And lets face it, what exactly is/are Australian terrain and conditions? A perfect vehicle for the SA outback would not be the best for the Vic High country, or the Cape, or West Coast Tas. And let's not go into inner city metro conditions compared to country rural roads.

The NCOP still exists at a Federal level, but each State now picks and chooses it's own bits it likes from the national framework, and nowhere has adopted it whole.

[joel]

^^^
i understand that, but it really is that simple, just make a national standard, like 50mm bigger tyres, 50mm bigger suspension before an application or engineer has to come into it.
its just that simple. put a start date on it,

basically they cant keep dicking around with no direction like they are, but tightning up the laws to qld standard isnt exactly the right direction either.
or adopting euro bull bar laws.... what a stupid joke of an idea that was.

[Highway-Star]

joel wrote:

its just that simple. put a start date on it

Ever worked for or with a government department?

Something that severe requires positively huge upsets and change, and most of the established crusty old bureaucrats will resist fiercely. I've worked for a state department whilst it was beggining to adopt a national code of practice (they actually still haven't, planning years in advance was going on). The disruptions that far ahead of adoption were quite notable, and it effects so many peoples jobs so massively; entire offices basically require re-training...

[joel]

Highway-Star wrote:

joel wrote:

its just that simple. put a start date on it

Ever worked for or with a government department?

Something that severe requires positively huge upsets and change, and most of the established crusty old bureaucrats will resist fiercely. I've worked for a state department whilst it was beggining to adopt a national code of practice (they actually still haven't, planning years in advance was going on). The disruptions that far ahead of adoption were quite notable, and it effects so many peoples jobs so massively; entire offices basically require re-training...

yeah i work for the government.
but surely there could be a amnesty of vehicles modified before the "new" standard legislation.
lets say... the new standard legislation starts 1/1/2012... as long as your vehicle is within current laws for your state, you will be given an amnesty from having to change your car to meet the new legislations.
the new legislation should be more informed on what is within the guide lines of a acceptable modification.

[Highway-Star]

I agree; basically the same as a car made before an ADR all of a sudden doesn't have to meet that ADR. But I still think convincing a government department (ie the primary decision makers in that department) its a good idea to adopt a new encompassing and job changing COP would be so incredibly difficult, and hence the idea has just been let slide...

[joel]

yep and thats what will drive me to sell the zook once i get defected....

[CairnsZook]

303zuke wrote:

The NCOP still exists at a Federal level, but each State now picks and chooses it's own bits it likes from the national framework, and nowhere has adopted it whole.

Tasmania had adopted the NCOP as a whole.

My engineering process had to comply with it. I asked to have 235's engineered, they flat out said no. As they were "outside the scope of the regulations" I couldn't even ask or argue...

Interestingly, they also wanted a lane change test for a 75mm lift. I decided against the lift and brought the car back down close to stock height.

[303zuke]

joel wrote:

but surely there could be a amnesty of vehicles modified before the "new" standard legislation.
lets say... the new standard legislation starts 1/1/2012... as long as your vehicle is within current laws for your state, you will be given an amnesty from having to change your car to meet the new legislations.

That's where the shitfighting started. With ADR's, it's quite easy to say a vehicle was built before or after a particular ADR.

With a owner-certified modification, how do you certify when it was implemented? Lets say Driver A and Driver B both own 1995 Sierras that they both bought 2nd hand in 2007. Driver A's suzy has a 2" lift, bodylift and 30" tyres on 15x7 wheels and was like that when he bought it. Driver B's Sierra is stock.

How are you going to legislate that Driver A can keep his vehicle like that without submitting to a full engineer's inspection to document every single mod (he might not have the dated receipts for each item), and how would you stop Driver B from modifying his vehicle outside the new spec limits to look like another "Pre-law" vehicle of the same age? If Driver A gets a blanket OK that says his car is a Pre-Law mod without certifying what those mods are, what's to stop him then fitting 32" tyres and SPOA and saying that's how it's always been?

[suzooky87]

Got it all back to standard now..... It seems to be on a bit of a lean ???? Steering is all kinds of fucked up what the he'll!!!!

[Birdman1985]

Panhards may still be set for the lift if they are the adjustable kind.

May have also been stuffed up with the lift but just didn't notice.

[suzooky87]

It's all standard. No adjustment

[suzooky87]

And I Also noticed that one of the toughdog springs were shorter?????