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Philbilly
Joined: Wed May 11, 2011 11:41 pm Posts: 84 Location: SWR
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Dunno if this has been covered lately, but tell me, is driving around with the hubs locked gunna cause any other issues other than extra fuel consuption? I'm only talking just local stuff- 5- 10 kays before getting to the dirt / sand.
Cheers,
Phil
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trity
Joined: Wed Jan 05, 2011 9:49 pm Posts: 250 Location: Perth, WA
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dunno about just hubs locked and in 2wd but correct me if i'm wrong if you drive in high 4 or low 4 on the bitchumen it could cause axle wrap?
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Jackson
Joined: Mon Apr 04, 2011 5:56 am Posts: 559 Location: Newcastle
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I would think it would just be unnecessary wear as your wheels would be driving everything back to the transfer.
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Scrawny

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Driving in 2wd with the hubs locked in will just increase fuel consumption.
Driving in 4wd on sealed surfaces will not cause axle wrap, it will cause 'wind-up' in the transfer.
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shakes
Joined: Sat Apr 10, 2010 11:30 pm Posts: 4895 Location: Northcote
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Scrawn wrote: Driving in 2wd with the hubs locked in will just increase fuel consumption.
Depending how well serviced your hubs are can also cause them to over-heat and do damage.
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zuk_244
Joined: Sun Jun 28, 2009 11:30 pm Posts: 170 Location: Wangaratta, Vic
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shakes wrote: Scrawn wrote: Driving in 2wd with the hubs locked in will just increase fuel consumption.
Depending how well serviced your hubs are can also cause them to over-heat and do damage.
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Ive forgotten to take the hubs out afew times. When i took the front axles out awhile ago they had black hot spots on the CVs where the balls are.
I dont think it would be a issue at low speeds but if your doing 80kph+ they would build up some heat.
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shep
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mine haven't been unlocked for the last 15000km.
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TryHard
Joined: Thu May 13, 2010 1:49 am Posts: 1041 Location: Perth
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shep wrote: mine haven't been unlocked for the last 15000km.
Shep do they even have Roads where u live : 
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stocker
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why do people with fulltime 4wd's convert them to part times with manual locking hubs...
To save on fuel
To save on Wear and tear 
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Bruce

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stocker wrote: why do people with fulltime 4wd's convert them to part times with manual locking hubs... To save on fuel To save on Wear and tear 
Correct
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2stroker
Joined: Sun Sep 07, 2008 11:30 pm Posts: 2689 Location: North Brisbane
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Philbilly wrote: Dunno if this has been covered lately, but tell me, is driving around with the hubs locked gunna cause any other issues other than extra fuel consuption? I'm only talking just local stuff- 5- 10 kays before getting to the dirt / sand.
Cheers,
Phil
Back to the original question, no it will not cuase any other issues if you are talking 5-10kms getting to dirt/sand.
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2stroker
Joined: Sun Sep 07, 2008 11:30 pm Posts: 2689 Location: North Brisbane
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shakes wrote: Scrawn wrote: Driving in 2wd with the hubs locked in will just increase fuel consumption.
Depending how well serviced your hubs are can also cause them to over-heat and do damage.
Nah, hubs wont overheat regardless of if they are serviced or not, they have no moving parts when driving.
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3cyl
Joined: Tue Jan 29, 2008 10:30 pm Posts: 2054 Location: Ipswich
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Those hot marks are on CVs from new, they heat treat the bell when they manufacture them, your hubs won't overheat, you'll just use slightly more fuel, you would be lucky to even measure the difference over 50 km.
Of course that's if there's grease in there.
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JrZook
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3cyl wrote: Those hot marks are on CVs from new, they heat treat the bell when they manufacture them, your hubs won't overheat, you'll just use slightly more fuel, you would be lucky to even measure the difference over 50 km. Of course that's if there's grease in there.
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Philbilly
Joined: Wed May 11, 2011 11:41 pm Posts: 84 Location: SWR
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Exellent, thanks guys  So all is good for short range stuff- I'm just a lazy bugger and would sooner flick them over at home when I'm about to leave rather than hop out off the warm car and do it once I hit the dirt or sand.
Would there be any advantages to leaving the hubs in (again, I'm talking shortish runs)? I mean, like move some parts around to keep the oil / greese spread etc?
Cheers,
Phil
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Liljim

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Joined: Fri Apr 16, 2010 11:30 pm Posts: 94 Location: Ballarat.
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I used to work for a certain government department who's policy was to NEVER unlock the hubs on their vehicles. they went for over 100,000km without any issue.
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christover1

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I always lock up hubs 10 or 20 k's before wheeling.
Helps warm up and lubricate front diff etc, before needing it off road.
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truongski

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Joined: Tue Sep 21, 2010 4:59 am Posts: 164 Location: Brisbane South
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2stroker wrote: Nah, hubs wont overheat regardless of if they are serviced or not, they have no moving parts when driving.
I have manual hubs on the GV and sometimes they get hot after city driving. Would this be because of the heat transfer from the brakes?
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JrZook
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truongski wrote: 2stroker wrote: Nah, hubs wont overheat regardless of if they are serviced or not, they have no moving parts when driving. I have manual hubs on the GV and sometimes they get hot after city driving. Would this be because of the heat transfer from the brakes?
Most likely, as well as wheel bearing heat.
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truongski

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Joined: Tue Sep 21, 2010 4:59 am Posts: 164 Location: Brisbane South
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JrZook wrote: truongski wrote: 2stroker wrote: Nah, hubs wont overheat regardless of if they are serviced or not, they have no moving parts when driving. I have manual hubs on the GV and sometimes they get hot after city driving. Would this be because of the heat transfer from the brakes? Most likely, as well as wheel bearing heat.
Hmmm... My house is only a few k's off the M1 and most times after a highway stint, the hubs are cool when I pull into the driveway.
If I did have a wheel bearing problem, wouldn't the hubs be warm/hot all the time?
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JrZook
Joined: Tue Aug 08, 2006 11:30 pm Posts: 5517 Location: Holland Park
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truongski wrote: JrZook wrote: truongski wrote: 2stroker wrote: Nah, hubs wont overheat regardless of if they are serviced or not, they have no moving parts when driving. I have manual hubs on the GV and sometimes they get hot after city driving. Would this be because of the heat transfer from the brakes? Most likely, as well as wheel bearing heat. Hmmm... My house is only a few k's off the M1 and most times after a highway stint, the hubs are cool when I pull into the driveway. If I did have a wheel bearing problem, wouldn't the hubs be warm/hot all the time?
Yes. I should of just said that wheel bearings will generate some heat and will feel warm not hot after a while.
As you say city driving, the brakes will probably be your answer to the heat
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truongski

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Joined: Tue Sep 21, 2010 4:59 am Posts: 164 Location: Brisbane South
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JrZook wrote: truongski wrote: JrZook wrote: truongski wrote: 2stroker wrote: Nah, hubs wont overheat regardless of if they are serviced or not, they have no moving parts when driving. I have manual hubs on the GV and sometimes they get hot after city driving. Would this be because of the heat transfer from the brakes? Most likely, as well as wheel bearing heat. Hmmm... My house is only a few k's off the M1 and most times after a highway stint, the hubs are cool when I pull into the driveway. If I did have a wheel bearing problem, wouldn't the hubs be warm/hot all the time? Yes. I should of just said that wheel bearings will generate some heat and will feel warm not hot after a while. As you say city driving, the brakes will probably be your answer to the heat
I'll keep and eye on it anyway. Cheers
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TheOtherLeft
Joined: Sun Aug 27, 2006 11:30 pm Posts: 818 Location: Sydney
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JrZook wrote: truongski wrote: JrZook wrote: truongski wrote: 2stroker wrote: Nah, hubs wont overheat regardless of if they are serviced or not, they have no moving parts when driving. I have manual hubs on the GV and sometimes they get hot after city driving. Would this be because of the heat transfer from the brakes? Most likely, as well as wheel bearing heat. Hmmm... My house is only a few k's off the M1 and most times after a highway stint, the hubs are cool when I pull into the driveway. If I did have a wheel bearing problem, wouldn't the hubs be warm/hot all the time? Yes. I should of just said that wheel bearings will generate some heat and will feel warm not hot after a while. As you say city driving, the brakes will probably be your answer to the heat
How hot are we talking about? Too hot to touch?
I've had my wheel bearings replaced a few months ago and FWH were serviced but the hubs still get quite warm after an hour or so of city driving.
I've done the jack up the car, grab the tyre at 6 & 12 o'clock and give it a wiggle and there was no play.
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mika
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sorry to hi-jack this thread but what's peoples opinions on hubs unlocked and transfer in 4 Low to effectively have 2 Low. I mean just to drive a few metres.
PS I know there is twin stick set ups and that you can also remove detent ball. just curious.
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Gwagensteve
Joined: Thu Feb 26, 2009 10:30 pm Posts: 13008 Location: Melbourne
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mika wrote: sorry to hi-jack this thread but what's peoples opinions on hubs unlocked and transfer in 4 Low to effectively have 2 Low. I mean just to drive a few metres.
PS I know there is twin stick set ups and that you can also remove detent ball. just curious.
No problem. I do it all the time.
Steve.
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sogone

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Joined: Mon Oct 25, 2010 11:29 am Posts: 2070 Location: Darwin
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So how does this change if you have a lock rite in the front? Will locked hubs be too much wind on the diff then?
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christover1

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Joined: Tue Jul 15, 2008 11:30 pm Posts: 8203 Location: Melbourne
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sogone wrote: So how does this change if you have a lock rite in the front? Will locked hubs be too much wind on the diff then?
When they not under power, they unlock very easily.
Tho I imagine steering on greasey stuff could be an issue,
because it would stay locked.
I drive my vit in 4wd without hubs locked,
once a month,
at low speeds,
to keep front diff oiled well.
But it isn't recommended by Suzuki.
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sogone

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Joined: Mon Oct 25, 2010 11:29 am Posts: 2070 Location: Darwin
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I meant by driving with hubs locked in having a locked front.
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christover1

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sogone wrote: I meant by driving with hubs locked in having a locked front.
I would not recommend that on road in 4wd.
In 2wd with my hubs locked it is fine at lower/medium speeds,
but its a bit unpredictable at high speeds.
But doesn't get any wind up probs.
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sogone

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Joined: Mon Oct 25, 2010 11:29 am Posts: 2070 Location: Darwin
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Ok. So I meant 2wd hubs locked in. With a locker will this cause problems
Wind up?
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