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Lhyriel
Joined: Sat Jun 05, 2010 11:06 am Posts: 52 Location: Sydney
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is there a more weight bearing stronger suspension that will produce less sag?
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zooker

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Joined: Sun Aug 06, 2006 11:30 pm Posts: 596 Location: Queanbeyan
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That would be the suzuki lean. Put an extra leaf in drivers side.
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Lhyriel
Joined: Sat Jun 05, 2010 11:06 am Posts: 52 Location: Sydney
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how would i do that? can i take a leaf from passengers side (weight bearing leaf) and put it on the drivers side? and do the same for the rear?
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whincup

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Joined: Sat Apr 17, 2010 11:30 pm Posts: 1588 Location: Gracemere, QLD
Vehicle: '94 suzuki maruti
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...am i the only one with the left sagged worse than the right?? 
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Lhyriel
Joined: Sat Jun 05, 2010 11:06 am Posts: 52 Location: Sydney
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its pretty rare for the left, maybe your shocks are gone? or your weight bearing leafs arent on?
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alien
Joined: Wed Mar 24, 2010 10:30 pm Posts: 16343 Location: Perth
Vehicle: '92 Sierra, 1.6efi, SPOA, 31s.
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try swapping the left and right springs first... if that fails rather than adding an extra leaf and stiffening one side, look at putting a spacer under the other side to lower that side of the car in the spring pack (a cut-down leaf or 2 will do it) (assuming you're SPUA).
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Lhyriel
Joined: Sat Jun 05, 2010 11:06 am Posts: 52 Location: Sydney
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thanks heaps alien! ill deffinately try swapping over the leafs, pretty sure that will work but if that doesnt i might go to heavy old man emu suspension lift and theyll fix the lean, defsf dont want to exactly fork out 1500 at the moment. really appreciated!
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appsie
Joined: Sun Apr 20, 2008 11:30 pm Posts: 2225
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you will bolt a brand new ome kit in and it will still lean within a day or two.
its part of owning a zuk i think 
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Lhyriel
Joined: Sat Jun 05, 2010 11:06 am Posts: 52 Location: Sydney
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i kinda guessed that, but its just so severe at the moment, anything would be good to minimalise it hoping leaf side swap will help 
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Nagz
Joined: Tue Nov 02, 2010 4:22 am Posts: 231 Location: Sydney
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alien wrote: try swapping the left and right springs first... if that fails rather than adding an extra leaf and stiffening one side, look at putting a spacer under the other side to lower that side of the car in the spring pack (a cut-down leaf or 2 will do it) (assuming you're SPUA).
So does that mean front and rears?
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Taylor74
Joined: Fri Dec 24, 2010 10:26 am Posts: 198 Location: Perth WA
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Nagz wrote: alien wrote: try swapping the left and right springs first... if that fails rather than adding an extra leaf and stiffening one side, look at putting a spacer under the other side to lower that side of the car in the spring pack (a cut-down leaf or 2 will do it) (assuming you're SPUA). So does that mean front and rears?
I always start with the rears as they are the stiffer spring and is where most of the uneven weight sits, do a measure and poss do the front aswell. Is only a temp fix though, will still lean right after time. 
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SuziBlu
Joined: Mon Sep 14, 2009 11:30 pm Posts: 4268 Location: Eyre Peninsula
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appsie wrote: you will bolt a brand new ome kit in and it will still lean within a day or two. its part of owning a zuk i think 
When I ordered my OME suspension set up, they asked me heaps of questions, like, my weight, what I intended it for, will there be passengers, will I be having much load in the rear etc. I have given my toy a fair thrashing, and am very pleased with the results, no sag either to the right, or either front or rear, over all, I rate OME very highly.
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crewsy

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Joined: Wed Sep 29, 2010 12:41 pm Posts: 579 Location: Perth
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Lhyriel wrote: thanks heaps alien! ill deffinately try swapping over the leafs, pretty sure that will work but if that doesnt i might go to heavy old man emu suspension lift and theyll fix the lean, defsf dont want to exactly fork out 1500 at the moment. really appreciated!
Your wasting your time swapping them, give it an hour and it will be exactly the same again.
Add a spacer in like alien suggested before going out and getting new packs then.
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Kermy87
Joined: Mon Sep 13, 2010 10:13 am Posts: 348 Location: Hervey bay QLD
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Just a question,, how is it exactly do they sag, I bought a brand new set of EFS springs for mine bout 1 yr ago, my Zuke has barely left the shed ive driven it possibly 10 times , and the drivers sagged 45mm just sitting there, efs replaced them ,thank god, is there more weight on the drivers side?? Or are they really just EFS (Easilly Fuc#ed Suspension)
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shep
Joined: Thu Mar 29, 2007 11:30 pm Posts: 14498 Location: Here there everywhere
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there is more weight on the drivers side. battery, transfer, spare tyre and most of the fuel tank is on the drivers side.
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kirstyandgrace
Joined: Fri Sep 25, 2009 11:30 pm Posts: 1086 Location: fremantle
Vehicle: 1992 sierra
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As well as the driver, that seat is always occupied the other one not always.
Judging by the post your pic thread there are some cars that should be riding on the bump stops on the right hand side. 
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Nagz
Joined: Tue Nov 02, 2010 4:22 am Posts: 231 Location: Sydney
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crewsy wrote: Lhyriel wrote: thanks heaps alien! ill deffinately try swapping over the leafs, pretty sure that will work but if that doesnt i might go to heavy old man emu suspension lift and theyll fix the lean, defsf dont want to exactly fork out 1500 at the moment. really appreciated! Your wasting your time swapping them, give it an hour and it will be exactly the same again. Add a spacer in like alien suggested before going out and getting new packs then.
Mine are OME but not sure on age, Should i get a spacer if i get new springs.
Also what is a spacer, where do you get them and can i put it in myself?
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Teracis
Joined: Sat Dec 11, 2010 10:03 pm Posts: 2261 Location: Gold Coast
Vehicle: Daisy
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So with all this talk of suzuki lean and patching up the problems, has anyone actually tried to balance one out i.e. move the battery, shift the tank e.t.c.?
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Mrhb2u

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Joined: Wed Jun 15, 2011 10:12 am Posts: 61 Location: Northside bitches !
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I've just put in a brand new OME 2' lift set of springs and OME shockies and I have a 40mm drop on the right side, is that normal? Could it be something else other than the suspension, twisted chasis perhaps???? It looks ridiculous!!
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boostedbrick

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Joined: Tue Jun 29, 2010 7:44 am Posts: 2003 Location: Brisbane
Vehicle: 2018 DMAX
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Mrhb2u wrote: I've just put in a brand new OME 2' lift set of springs and OME shockies and I have a 40mm drop on the right side, is that normal? Could it be something else other than the suspension, twisted chasis perhaps???? It looks ridiculous!!
Could you get a picture?.. AFAIK with the OME stuff there is a drivers side pack and passenger side pack.. Could be in the wrong way..
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Gwagensteve
Joined: Thu Feb 26, 2009 10:30 pm Posts: 13008 Location: Melbourne
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Teracis wrote: So with all this talk of suzuki lean and patching up the problems, has anyone actually tried to balance one out i.e. move the battery, shift the tank e.t.c.?
Yes. Putting the battery under the passenger's seat, centring the fuel tank, and not running a spare all help. Even with all that done though, it's still normal to need an extra leaf on the driver's side.
We corner weighted a bunch of cars at a tech night earlier in the year and they were around 50Kg heavier on the RHF.
Steve.
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ZookFan
Joined: Mon Feb 14, 2011 6:19 am Posts: 3978 Location: Brisbane,samford,QLD
Vehicle: 92 Sierra Tin Top, 3 X LJ 81's
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boostedbrick wrote: Mrhb2u wrote: I've just put in a brand new OME 2' lift set of springs and OME shockies and I have a 40mm drop on the right side, is that normal? Could it be something else other than the suspension, twisted chasis perhaps???? It looks ridiculous!! Could you get a picture?.. AFAIK with the OME stuff there is a drivers side pack and passenger side pack.. Could be in the wrong way..
Wow I never knew this?? 
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boostedbrick

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Joined: Tue Jun 29, 2010 7:44 am Posts: 2003 Location: Brisbane
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ZookFan wrote: boostedbrick wrote: Mrhb2u wrote: I've just put in a brand new OME 2' lift set of springs and OME shockies and I have a 40mm drop on the right side, is that normal? Could it be something else other than the suspension, twisted chasis perhaps???? It looks ridiculous!! Could you get a picture?.. AFAIK with the OME stuff there is a drivers side pack and passenger side pack.. Could be in the wrong way.. Wow I never knew this?? 
I may be wrong but I thought that's what was said on here 
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Damo

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Joined: Sat Jul 22, 2006 11:30 pm Posts: 4661 Location: Brisbane
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shep wrote: there is more weight on the drivers side. battery, transfer, spare tyre and most of the fuel tank is on the drivers side.
Says the fat bastard 
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Mrhb2u

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Joined: Wed Jun 15, 2011 10:12 am Posts: 61 Location: Northside bitches !
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boostedbrick wrote: Mrhb2u wrote: I've just put in a brand new OME 2' lift set of springs and OME shockies and I have a 40mm drop on the right side, is that normal? Could it be something else other than the suspension, twisted chasis perhaps???? It looks ridiculous!! Could you get a picture?.. AFAIK with the OME stuff there is a drivers side pack and passenger side pack.. Could be in the wrong way..
They never said anything about this though?!?!
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2stroker
Joined: Sun Sep 07, 2008 11:30 pm Posts: 2689 Location: North Brisbane
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Are you serious, are some of you guys running uneven amount of leaves one side to the other.
I wouldn't consider running more leaves one side than the other, I cannot see that as being a sound practice, I am sure that it is frowned upon and that if you are in an accident and had your car inspected it would be declared defected and unsafe, you would be hung out to dry by insurance. Please just go buy some springs or change them side to side.
Steve who did the tech night, what scales did they use and was that 50KG heavier RHF with a driver in the car?
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Damo

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Joined: Sat Jul 22, 2006 11:30 pm Posts: 4661 Location: Brisbane
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My preference is to put more arch (preload) on the drivers side spring.
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sideways

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Joined: Fri Oct 29, 2010 1:53 pm Posts: 5936 Location: Northcliffe, W.A.
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Damo wrote: My preference is to put more arch (preload) on the drivers side spring.
X 11ty billion.
My LJ actually leans 2.5cm to the passengers side. 
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Gwagensteve
Joined: Thu Feb 26, 2009 10:30 pm Posts: 13008 Location: Melbourne
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2stroker wrote: Are you serious, are some of you guys running uneven amount of leaves one side to the other.
Steve who did the tech night, what scales did they use and was that 50KG heavier RHF with a driver in the car?
From memory the 50Kg was with driver.
I ran the tech night with SierraJim at his workshop. He has calibrated scales.
Yes, I am totally serious about running more rate on the heavy side. Increasing camber on the RHS eventually leads to sag returning and the process of swapping left to right continues.
More weight=more rate in my book.
Steve.
PS - From memory, factory 60 series ran different packs left to right in the front.
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squibby
Joined: Wed May 11, 2011 3:13 am Posts: 645 Location: Brisbane
Vehicle: On the lookout
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My drivers side sags as per many suzukis. I put 10mm spacers into the drivers side and it still sagged. My conclusion is something is 'pulling' the suspension into that shape. I think it's the panhards because they go from uper drivers side to lower passenger side. If it was the other way around probably the passenger side would sag a little. Thats my theory. especially when you use stock panhards on a raised vehicle like I am running.
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