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Carlman
Joined: Sun May 01, 2011 6:29 pm Posts: 60 Location: Banksia Grove, WA
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G'day all,
Sencond question of the week.
I am at the stage where I need to tension the timing belt so I have the idler pulley bolted likely to the block through the tensioner arm thingy...
Problem is when the slide on the tensioner is maxed out the belt is no where near tight... Can someone please post a diagram or detailed picture for me to check against cause I can't see where I've gone wrong.
Regards, Carl.
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Daves4wd

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Joined: Fri Aug 26, 2011 3:17 pm Posts: 1286 Location: Melbourne
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It's not picture buy it could be the wrong tensioner or wrong belt double check your part numbers
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skyman
Joined: Wed Nov 17, 2010 2:06 pm Posts: 1328 Location: Yakima, wa (us)
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If are sure you have the right part,play around with the pulley when the bolt is loose. I kind of had to play with the tensioner pulley a little bit to figure out how it worked, they are weird little buggers the way the bolt goes through.
Also, the spring that comes in the kit doesn;t always add enough tension, but you definitely don't want to much either.
How I was told to check and set tension was to twist the belt with my fingers. The belt should twist to 90 degrees, but no further or it is too lose. I have set tension this way on several different 1.3's and 1.6 8 valves with no dramas.
I hope that helps.
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christover1

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Joined: Tue Jul 15, 2008 11:30 pm Posts: 8203 Location: Melbourne
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2 x 1.6 if it helps

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oozuk
Joined: Sun Aug 16, 2009 11:30 pm Posts: 1452 Location: bethania QLD
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check your tensioner, the steel adjuster plate has a metal tooth that engages into the tensioner pulley to pull it over against the belt.
when the tensioner is loosened off the tooth can actually jump out of it's hole and not completely tension the belt.
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JrZook
Joined: Tue Aug 08, 2006 11:30 pm Posts: 5517 Location: Holland Park
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skyman wrote: If are sure you have the right part,play around with the pulley when the bolt is loose. I kind of had to play with the tensioner pulley a little bit to figure out how it worked, they are weird little buggers the way the bolt goes through.
Also, the spring that comes in the kit doesn;t always add enough tension, but you definitely don't want to much either.
How I was told to check and set tension was to twist the belt with my fingers. The belt should twist to 90 degrees, but no further or it is too lose. I have set tension this way on several different 1.3's and 1.6 8 valves with no dramas.
I hope that helps.
Yep this is how I do my setups. Gets rid of that stupid spring forever!
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Carlman
Joined: Sun May 01, 2011 6:29 pm Posts: 60 Location: Banksia Grove, WA
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Thanks for the reply guys, judging by the first picture I have it setup right but it must be the wrong swivel bracket as it does tension just when it does it's past the point where you can tighten it. If I can't find the right one tomorow I'll just weld another tab further along (bit that slots into bearing)
Again thanks for the replus, I'll remove that spring and use the aforementioned method.
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nascpro44

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Joined: Sun May 08, 2011 10:40 am Posts: 94 Location: albury
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Once you crank it over a couple of times by hand it will tighten aswell but u have to make sure tensioner is in correct position
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BlueSuzy

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Joined: Sun May 04, 2008 11:30 pm Posts: 9716 Location: NSW
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nascpro44 wrote: Once you crank it over a couple of times by hand it will tighten aswell but u have to make sure tensioner is in correct position
What?
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shandy92

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Joined: Tue Nov 25, 2008 10:30 pm Posts: 5066 Location: perth, Australia
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BlueSuzy wrote: nascpro44 wrote: Once you crank it over a couple of times by hand it will tighten aswell but u have to make sure tensioner is in correct position What?
i think he mean, that once you wind it over by hand a few times the engine with self tension.
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steak_knife

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Joined: Fri May 22, 2009 11:30 pm Posts: 21335 Location: Smart Ass Island
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shandy92 wrote: BlueSuzy wrote: nascpro44 wrote: Once you crank it over a couple of times by hand it will tighten aswell but u have to make sure tensioner is in correct position What? i think he mean, that once you wind it over by hand a few times the engine with self tension.
with that wee lil spring?????
Doubt it.........
The reason you wind it over is to double check it's timed correctly.....
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royce

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Joined: Sun Jun 11, 2006 11:30 pm Posts: 17216 Location: Pluto
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G13 tensioner is different looking to the G16 as well, the slot and bolt is more beside it than above it
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BlueSuzy

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Joined: Sun May 04, 2008 11:30 pm Posts: 9716 Location: NSW
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steak_knife wrote: shandy92 wrote: BlueSuzy wrote: nascpro44 wrote: Once you crank it over a couple of times by hand it will tighten aswell but u have to make sure tensioner is in correct position What? i think he mean, that once you wind it over by hand a few times the engine with self tension. with that wee lil spring????? Doubt it......... The reason you wind it over is to double check it's timed correctly.....
That spring is almost pointless. Ever seen a self tensioner? You normally need a spanner to grab the bolt on the tensioner arm and leaver off it to get the tension off a belt as the springs are much stronger.
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steak_knife

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Joined: Fri May 22, 2009 11:30 pm Posts: 21335 Location: Smart Ass Island
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BlueSuzy wrote: steak_knife wrote: shandy92 wrote: BlueSuzy wrote: nascpro44 wrote: Once you crank it over a couple of times by hand it will tighten aswell but u have to make sure tensioner is in correct position What? i think he mean, that once you wind it over by hand a few times the engine with self tension. with that wee lil spring????? Doubt it......... The reason you wind it over is to double check it's timed correctly..... That spring is almost pointless. Ever seen a self tensioner? You normally need a spanner to grab the bolt on the tensioner arm and leaver off it to get the tension off a belt as the springs are much stronger.
I've seen one or two in my yr's as a florist..... 
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Carlman
Joined: Sun May 01, 2011 6:29 pm Posts: 60 Location: Banksia Grove, WA
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Ok ive been to suzistore and got the newer tensioner arm. The only difference is that the tab that slots into the bearing is further round. That should slove the issue.
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