[sr20zook]

hi all, this is my first post so i suppose this is a 'noob' question but is it legal to have a sr20 na in a 85 zook?..................please be gentle

[Damo]

sr20zook wrote:

hi all, this is my first post so i suppose this is a 'noob' question but is it legal to have a sr20 na in a 85 zook?..................please be gentle

It's been done. Some dude in Vic, Christover knows him so he might give you some info.

Where are you located btw?

[sr20zook]

sorry forgot to mention qld, will i need to do brakes or anything?

[TZAR]

sr20zook wrote:

sorry forgot to mention qld, will i need to do brakes or anything?

just a different car...

biggest in qld is 1600 no ifs buts maybes

Hell I stuck a 302 cleveland in a sierra and it was damn ugly, but was no where legal

best bet is a 1.6 injected vitarda engine or one of those horrible heavy toyota strolla engines if you want to go fast in a car which is designed to go slow.

[Damo]

sr20zook wrote:

sorry forgot to mention qld, will i need to do brakes or anything?

You may not have to. Contact Qld Transport and have them give you the list of Authorised Officers. These are people that are authorised to blue plate certain modifications. Go through the list and find someone that holds the LA1 code. They will be able to tell you what you need to do.

[sr20zook]

awsome thanks everyone, I searched qld transport and couldnt find what i was after but this helps alot. will post up pictures when its done in about a week or two

[Damo]

TZAR wrote:

biggest in qld is 1600 no ifs buts maybes

Do they not allow the option 3 under LA1 any more? Replacement engine with "safety upgrade" they called it.

[sr20zook]

in lay terms? remember im a noob lol

[Pubic]

your bestbet would be to ring the queensland traffic organisation and ask for some automotive engineers that they recommend. then call the engineer and ask if you can put it in your zook and be abel to register it.

you have to ask him what you would need to do to be able to register it. (now would be a good time to go and visit him and write everything down that he says)

if he says its possible, which you might find isnt in QLD, ring around for quotes on everything that the bloke tells you. then sit back and think is it worth it over a 1.6L vitara motor. (which happns to be a very well suited motor for a sierra, with plenty of tech support from this site in particular along with plenty of others.)

dont rush into something is all im trying to say..... yeh a sr20 would be plenty powerfull, but you need to work out what you want to do first, but all the best of luck to you. i hope you keep us all posted

[sr20zook]

thanks for all the help everyone!!! I will be speaking to the bloke who will be doing the mod plating tomorrow to see if this is really possible or not,If it is I will be posting up heaps of pics of it in the next few weeks

but will let you all know tomorrow what the outcome is, fingers and toes crossed!!! cheers

[want33s]

TZAR wrote:

biggest in qld is 1600 no ifs buts maybes

I spoke to David Yates at Maroochydore and he said anything up to 1800cc is fine in a Sierra as long as its not turbo/supercharged and up to 2000cc if it's not DOHC.
He is a QLD Transport approved engineer. He also did my seats blue plate.

Jas.

[Damo]

want33s wrote:

TZAR wrote:

biggest in qld is 1600 no ifs buts maybes

I spoke to David Yates at Maroochydore and he said anything up to 1800cc is fine in a Sierra as long as its not turbo/supercharged and up to 2000cc if it's not DOHC.
He is a QLD Transport approved engineer. He also did my seats blue plate.

Jas.

That seems a bit wierd, maybe the rules have changed since I last looked at the code of practice.

[JrZook]

Damo wrote:

want33s wrote:

TZAR wrote:

biggest in qld is 1600 no ifs buts maybes

I spoke to David Yates at Maroochydore and he said anything up to 1800cc is fine in a Sierra as long as its not turbo/supercharged and up to 2000cc if it's not DOHC.
He is a QLD Transport approved engineer. He also did my seats blue plate.

Jas.

That seems a bit wierd, maybe the rules have changed since I last looked at the code of practice.

I recall somewhere in the rule book that it was the car's weight times by some magic number = the maximum allowable capacity engine to be fitted. This was obviously different for forced induction and rotaries.

[unique_seek]

because of the wieght of the sierra,1600cc limit N/A(naturally asperated)...1300cc limit F/I(forced induction) into a sierra in qld,also you cant legally turbo a commertial vehicle(mc)which is the code for a sierra,UNLESS it is a 4x4,so if you where to convert a sierra to 2wd,no go on the turbo.i just got my g13b turbo mod plated

possible engines

N/A:
g13a/ba with throttle body injection
g13b(twincam,efi swift gti engine)
g16a(carbi vitara engine,needs adaptor plate)suzuki
g16b(Efi sohc vitara engine,needs adaptor plate)suzuki
g16b with g13b head(twincam efi head off gti swift)suzuki hybrid
4age(twincam efi engine,needs toyota t-50 box,,and custom tail shaft)toyota

F/I:
g13ba(later model carbi)
g13a/ba with supercharger/turbo(draw through with carbi)
g13a/ba with throttle body injection and turbo/supercharged
g13b turbo/supercharged(swift gti with turbo/supercharger)

and there is also a turbo diesel engine that fits if my memorty is correct...
there are heaps of othere engines,but these are the most practicle and "cheaper" options....

[Damo]

JrZook wrote:

I recall somewhere in the rule book that it was the car's weight times by some magic number = the maximum allowable capacity engine to be fitted. This was obviously different for forced induction and rotaries.

Yes that's correct, or at least it used to be. Whether it is still the case I don't know. This is the "option 3" I mentioned in my earlier post.

[TZAR]

want33s wrote:

TZAR wrote:

biggest in qld is 1600 no ifs buts maybes

He is a QLD Transport approved engineer. He also did my seats blue plate.

Jas.

get it in writing take it to qld transport and see what they say.

If you get the book and read it it says maximum engine for sierra is 1600cc. Sure you can get it blue plated by convincing an engineer but qld transport will just ask you WHY do you want to go fast in a car that is not designed to. Blue plate cancelled. Check a lot of places, get many answers but this will be the common answer.

Read this pamplet

http://www.transport.qld.gov.au/resourc ... icles2.pdf

E.G. The welding, chrome plating, heating or bending of
axles, suspension or steering components, as a method
of repair or alteration, is not permitted.

This does include nt to wt conversions, coil spring conversions etc etc etc

Another helpful document to settle many internet belives is this one
READ IT EVERYBODY. See how many illegal mods you really do have

http://www.legislation.qld.gov.au/LEGIS ... 9SL213.pdf

But then some of these override the traffic act
http://www.transport.qld.gov.au/resourc ... eb2004.pdf

http://www.transport.qld.gov.au/resourc ... eb2004.pdf

Like this one
Note that a main (high) beam headlight under the ADR’s, and now under TO(RUM-VSS), may be fitted at any height above the ground compared to the previous height of 0.6 m to 1.4 m in the Traffic Regulation 1962.

[11_evl]

i was told LATE last year that sometime around jan feb 09 we ( QLDERS ) will be going along the same laws as NSW.
i dont no if anything come about that

[Zook_Fan]

A registered blue plate modifcation guy told me that the rules where to be re-analysed and the outcome might be we take the same rules as NSW or alternatively we will get even stricter rules

[want33s]

TZAR wrote:

want33s wrote:

TZAR wrote:

biggest in qld is 1600 no ifs buts maybes

He is a QLD Transport approved engineer. He also did my seats blue plate.

Jas.

get it in writing take it to qld transport and see what they say.

If you get the book and read it it says maximum engine for sierra is 1600cc. Sure you can get it blue plated by convincing an engineer but qld transport will just ask you WHY do you want to go fast in a car that is not designed to. Blue plate cancelled. Check a lot of places, get many answers but this will be the common answer.

Read this pamplet

http://www.transport.qld.gov.au/resourc ... icles2.pdf

E.G. The welding, chrome plating, heating or bending of
axles, suspension or steering components, as a method
of repair or alteration, is not permitted.

This does include nt to wt conversions, coil spring conversions etc etc etc

Another helpful document to settle many internet belives is this one
READ IT EVERYBODY. See how many illegal mods you really do have

http://www.legislation.qld.gov.au/LEGIS ... 9SL213.pdf

But then some of these override the traffic act
http://www.transport.qld.gov.au/resourc ... eb2004.pdf

http://www.transport.qld.gov.au/resourc ... eb2004.pdf

Like this one
Note that a main (high) beam headlight under the ADR’s, and now under TO(RUM-VSS), may be fitted at any height above the ground compared to the previous height of 0.6 m to 1.4 m in the Traffic Regulation 1962.

Looks like you put a lot of time into that..
I don't have time to read all that crap in those links but you can ring David Yates yourself and find out what applies in the real world.
I enquired about a Toyota T-18 motor in my Zook*.. 3T.. 1800cc. no problems... LEGALLY.
I never went ahead though. I got transfer gears instead.. Zooks don't need more power.
David Yates Automotive...07 54754450

*My Zook is a LWB.. don't know how much difference that makes compared to SWB RE: Engine conversions.

Jas.

[TZAR]

want33s wrote:

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Looks like you put a lot of time into that..
I don't have time to read all that excellent infomation, cause its full of big words and no pictures and I will get confused but you can ring David Yates yourself and find out what applies in the real world.

I would rather have dick size competitions cause I feel like you have just told me that my micro penis that i thought was large is really small, teeny weeny even.

Jas.

Seroiusly Jas, get a grip. I said get it in writing.

I go to my engineer who "in the real world" imports cars, designs and builds trucking equipment for major companies ( energex, Air Liquide,etc) has a love affair with the motor car and who gets most of his income by doing modifications to motor vehicles also in the real world.

I am not sure what he does in his fantasy worlds but you are free to ring him on 1800 1234567 .

The rule is 1600cc biggest engine in sierra. Forget this light vehicle 4wd drive nonsense, qld transport call a sierra a car. full stop. not a truck, not a commercial vehicle ( even though it is) they make it follow the rules that they like.

[want33s]

[unique_seek]

thats true but soo harsh at the same tme...no need to argue...seriously,if what you hear is not what you like,and you cant appreciate the time some people take to reply,than just grow up and "walk away", there seem to be so many oppinions on the same topic...obiously there are going to be dodgy engineers,who will blue plate "nearly anything"...but that dosnt change the rules...or the code of practice(and thats a nice bed time book:S) there are sooo many grey and contradicting areas,soo it is possible so sometime avoid the red tape,but if you go to an engineer and he says he will mod plate ur rig...go for it....but when you get pulled over by queensland transport,and they say otherwise...that lil blue plate may as well be an expensive vin number relocater!!!so what do we get out of all this?? play nice and what you hear may not nessesarly be true,even if it comes from a person in authority(ju7st like those jolly blue men!!!)

"sorry mate that spare tire is illegal"...(copper)
"ah you dont say!well thats nice,because you dont need to have a spare,nevermind one with legal tread,or one that even fits my car"(my engineer)....
"ah and where did you get that from?"(copper looking confused)
"ahh im an engineer,i certify cars for a living,and that magical book told me so"(engineer,a tad bit cocky)

bottom line...know your rules....cops love to pull crap out the air,and if you fall for it,they book,and it hurts

laters

ps:sorry about that got bored and carried away..haha...shame

[2stroker]

"sorry mate that spare tire is illegal"...(copper)
"ah you dont say!well thats nice,because you dont need to have a spare,nevermind one with legal tread,or one that even fits my car"(my engineer)....
"ah and where did you get that from?"(copper looking confused)
"ahh im an engineer,i certify cars for a living,and that magical book told me so"(engineer,a tad bit cocky)

bottom line...know your rules....cops love to pull crap out the air,and if you fall for it,they book,and it hurts

Actually being a smartass will just encourage them find something else wrong with your car as an attitude adjuster. Sure if you know the rules and you are right stand up for yourself but remember they are being paid to be there and you are the one standing on the side of the road wasting time so don't make it more painful than it needs to be.

Best advise I gave to my young fella was if you get pulled over in this (modified) Suzuki its...yes sir no sir three bags full sir.....saved his licence a few times.

On top of that braging that you are an engineer that certifies cars for a living probably doesn't fit with the beaten up old Suzuki with a bald tyre on the tailgate that you were driving when he pulled you up .

But I do agree with Unique_seek in that the rules are grey and not everyone who professes to be an expert is. If you go outside of the mods that are widely recognised as legal then you have to take the risk of it coming back to bite you.

[royce]

there are several 'levels' of mod approval in QLD too

there is a set standard of what can be approved in what (like 1.6 in sierra, 5.0 in 40 series, 289 in a capris and so on) this is what the approved person mod plate scheme is about, DOT engineers determine whats safe in regards to engine size for standard equip and the approved person checks if it has been done properly to set rules (no ziptie engine mounts) and approves it, they are allowed nor qualified to make judgement calls on other 1 off things as they dont have the knowledge to work out the ins and outs of it all, this is why bigger tyres are a no, you can get them approved but you need to go to very high powers and spend $$$ testing they still meets requirments.

after that there is the next level of weight times xxx = engine capacity and brings up some huge numbers, but these are maximum allowable and rely on driveline upgrades and brake increases and so on, right down to the correct size fuel lines being fitted, this is obviously outside the scope of a dude taking $80 off you and sticking a bit of tin on your firewall, you need to start with a plan on what you want and how you are going to do it then they initially approve this (after lots of changes no doubt) then inspect things as you go per a pre set shecdule, this cost mega $$$$$$$$$$ so nobody touches it

then there is the ICB system, this is where kit cars, tube buggies, sierra bodied v8 patrols and so on fall under, basically there is no 1 major starting vehicle so an overall set of standards are applied and you have to document how you confirm to all this which is then approved in theory and then inspected in real life and you get a VIN to stick on and off you go this costs even more mega $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

it can all be done but sooner or later you have to ask is it worth it? I would rather put the effort into something no compramise in what you want over sticking a big engine in a little car for no real benefit

[sr20zook]

well hasnt this stirred up afew!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Well I am now buying the car that has the engine already converted and my engineer say its all good! yippeeeeeeee

now thanks for all the input everyone I will post some photos when I can so stay tuned, now play nice to each other remember we are all in it for the same reason we all enjoy our zooks.......cheers

[Damo]

sr20zook wrote:

well hasnt this stirred up afew!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Well I am now buying the car that has the engine already converted and my engineer say its all good! yippeeeeeeee

now thanks for all the input everyone I will post some photos when I can so stay tuned, now play nice to each other remember we are all in it for the same reason we all enjoy our zooks.......cheers

This one has the SR 20 in it?

[sr20zook]

yep all hooked up and ready to go

[joeblow]

2stroker wrote:

"sorry mate that spare tire is illegal"...(copper)
"ah you dont say!well thats nice,because you dont need to have a spare,nevermind one with legal tread,or one that even fits my car"(my engineer)....
"ah and where did you get that from?"(copper looking confused)
"ahh im an engineer,i certify cars for a living,and that magical book told me so"(engineer,a tad bit cocky)

bottom line...know your rules....cops love to pull crap out the air,and if you fall for it,they book,and it hurts

Actually being a smartass will just encourage them find something else wrong with your car as an attitude adjuster. Sure if you know the rules and you are right stand up for yourself but remember they are being paid to be there and you are the one standing on the side of the road wasting time so don't make it more painful than it needs to be.

Best advise I gave to my young fella was if you get pulled over in this (modified) Suzuki its...yes sir no sir three bags full sir.....saved his licence a few times.

On top of that braginging that you are an engineer that certifies cars for a living probably doesn't fit with the beaten up old Suzuki with a bald tyre on the tailgate that you were driving when he pulled you up .

But I do agree with Unique_seek in that the rules are grey and not everyone who professes to be an expert is. If you go outside of the mods that are widely recognised as legal then you have to take the risk of it coming back to bite you.

ummm....well you don't need a spare, but if you DO have one attached to the car it HAS to be legal.

[sr20zook]

lol yeah mate its legal, I learned years ago to lose the attitude with cops and give them the old yes sir no sir 3 bags full sir treatment (except if its a female coppa they hate it ) piss in there pocket be nice and polite and you will be suprised at what you can get away with, same applies with the missus too, she doesnt even know Iv bought the car yet!!!!!!!

[TZAR]

Jas you are the one arguing.

If you can get this sr20 blue plated by your mechanic then go right ahead. Just you may have trouble if you are ever lucky enough to be pulled over by a police officer that actually knows some rules or better yet by qld transport

Heaven forbid if you have a questionable accident that takes a life, then you should take that blue plate and stick up your arse so when bubba says "come her boy" you know you can hurt him too.

And before Royce says it, it has to be proved that the modification was a major contributor to the accident, so by over powering a car and not doing the regulated brake upgrades that required, and all other safety improvements it is going to be a high possibility it will.