[monley]

My engine is coming up to 23,000KM i hope this doesn't happen to me...

[Fatzook]

Bugsta wrote:

2stroker wrote:

Yeah mate the sierra / vitara comment was just a bit of an attempt at humour, pity to hear its dead, time to start looking for another engine.

Or an LJ even

Just had a good chat to Kyser. Based on what I know and talking to him, I think my best option is a low k 1.6 from a Swift Sport. Stronger engine, and not that much bigger that I will need that many changes made to engine management. He reckons that it will run straight up, with a few external bits swapped of course, and just need perhaps some fuel pressure adjustments for best performance.

Might start making some calls tomorrow... and saving some coin.

I keep hearing that people are running these larger M series motors off their M13 ECU, and can't help but wonder how?

With the M13a ECU controlling a 1.3 making 62.5 kW and 110 N·m, I just can't see how it can safely run a motor making 50% more power (92kw) and 30% more torque (147Nm)....

[ajsr]

do they run a larger injector, and throttle body. if so the etc should work I guess

[Chop]

Fatzook wrote:

Bugsta wrote:

2stroker wrote:

Yeah mate the sierra / vitara comment was just a bit of an attempt at humour, pity to hear its dead, time to start looking for another engine.

Or an LJ even

Just had a good chat to Kyser. Based on what I know and talking to him, I think my best option is a low k 1.6 from a Swift Sport. Stronger engine, and not that much bigger that I will need that many changes made to engine management. He reckons that it will run straight up, with a few external bits swapped of course, and just need perhaps some fuel pressure adjustments for best performance.

Might start making some calls tomorrow... and saving some coin.

I keep hearing that people are running these larger M series motors off their M13 ECU, and can't help but wonder how?

With the M13a ECU controlling a 1.3 making 62.5 kW and 110 N·m, I just can't see how it can safely run a motor making 50% more power (92kw) and 30% more torque (147Nm)....

Is anyone even running a 1.6 swift sport motor? I'd be very surprised it would work with out changing most of it over.

[Bugsta]

I'm going to pay Kyzer a visit one evening and have a gander at his setup and go over some of these things again.

[Chop]

Is his even gonna go offroad?

[Fatzook]

Bugsta wrote:

I'm going to pay Kyzer a visit one evening and have a ganfer at hius setup and go over some of these things again.

His is an M18 is it not?

[zukenutter]

Fatzook wrote:

Bugsta wrote:

I'm going to pay Kyzer a visit one evening and have a ganfer at hius setup and go over some of these things again.

His is an M18 is it not?

Yes

[Fatzook]

Sort of on-topic, but have you seen what the M16a sport motor's intake manifold looks like? Its a mess! They are also fly by wire TB, so you would need to run the jimny manifold. NFI if injectors are interchangable.... or sumps etc.

I know that the J20 from a vit and the J20 from an SX4 could not be more different! Untake mani is useless, and the sump mating surface is not perpendicular to the block.... its angled for east-west application. The M16a sport motor may have similar issues.....

[monley]

I can't see why a m16a couldn't be used. Drew looked into doing the conversion in his, but the thing that put him if was the fact they had a electronic throttle, but i don't see how that is a issue, cus you would be using the jimny intake manifold right? Like on any other "m" series conversion

[Chop]

I'm with ben on this, got one in the driveway here and the power is all around the 4000rpm and up! Fine when in the twisties in 3rd gear and doing 100kph plus.

[squibby]

Make your mind up, First you try to get a free M13 under warranty for a quick and cheap fix, now your considering spending big bucks on a Swift Sport M16 not to mention the time involved getting it to work since no-ones documented this conversion yet wheras the M15 or M18 into a Jimny has been done loads - and yes it does work on the stock ECU have a read in the 'Good Tech' part of the Forum.

If you do put a swift sport Engine in, then do a proper job and put the wiring loom and ECU in too. According to Suzuki advertising literature the Swift Sport M16 has forged pistons, High compression ratio (11:1), high lift cams, and strengthened valve springs. So it's definately a tougher engine then the other M-series but I'd wager the engine management is vastly different particularly the VVT maybe.

Your probably going to blow it up further down the track whatever you put in so go cheap and bang in a high mileage M15 or M18 or another M13 for 500-700 bucks and a couple of days at the weekend and don't bother messing with the ECU. You can have my old M13 if you want for a smaller price if you can figure how to post it to Brisbane. PM me.

Some on here reckon it's been starved of oil and that's why it went bang. Maybe you can whip the sump out of whatever replacement engine you put in there and fabricate a better baffled sump.

Cheers,
Si

[Chop]

Thats right squibby, 98 octane all the time with the high compression motor, something most on here would not want to pay for.

[Bugsta]

squibby wrote:

Make your mind up, First you try to get a free M13 under warranty for a quick and cheap fix, now your considering spending big bucks on a Swift Sport M16 not to mention the time involved getting it to work since no-ones documented this conversion yet wheras the M15 or M18 into a Jimny has been done loads - and yes it does work on the stock ECU have a read in the 'Good Tech' part of the Forum.

If you do put a swift sport Engine in, then do a proper job and put the wiring loom and ECU in too. According to Suzuki advertising literature the Swift Sport M16 has forged pistons, High compression ratio (11:1), high lift cams, and strengthened valve springs. So it's definately a tougher engine then the other M-series but I'd wager the engine management is vastly different particularly the VVT maybe.

Your probably going to blow it up further down the track whatever you put in so go cheap and bang in a high mileage M15 or M18 or another M13 for 500-700 bucks and a couple of days at the weekend and don't bother messing with the ECU. You can have my old M13 if you want for a smaller price if you can figure how to post it to Brisbane. PM me.

Some on here reckon it's been starved of oil and that's why it went bang. Maybe you can whip the sump out of whatever replacement engine you put in there and fabricate a better baffled sump.

Cheers,
Si

Umm, If I had made up my mind - It wouldn't be necessary for me to be posting on here. Kinda the point of a forum I thought... to HELP me make up my mind

Anyway, I've found a m16a on the Goldie for $1450 and one in Sydney for about $1200 inc shipping to me. Both low k's. I got a couple of other people getting back to me as well.

There will be a number of things I will need to swap from the m13 to fit the Jimny. Manifolds, throttle body, water and heater hoses. Perhaps a few other things.

[zukenutter]

Bugsta wrote:

squibby wrote:

Make your mind up, First you try to get a free M13 under warranty for a quick and cheap fix, now your considering spending big bucks on a Swift Sport M16 not to mention the time involved getting it to work since no-ones documented this conversion yet wheras the M15 or M18 into a Jimny has been done loads - and yes it does work on the stock ECU have a read in the 'Good Tech' part of the Forum.

If you do put a swift sport Engine in, then do a proper job and put the wiring loom and ECU in too. According to Suzuki advertising literature the Swift Sport M16 has forged pistons, High compression ratio (11:1), high lift cams, and strengthened valve springs. So it's definately a tougher engine then the other M-series but I'd wager the engine management is vastly different particularly the VVT maybe.

Your probably going to blow it up further down the track whatever you put in so go cheap and bang in a high mileage M15 or M18 or another M13 for 500-700 bucks and a couple of days at the weekend and don't bother messing with the ECU. You can have my old M13 if you want for a smaller price if you can figure how to post it to Brisbane. PM me.

Some on here reckon it's been starved of oil and that's why it went bang. Maybe you can whip the sump out of whatever replacement engine you put in there and fabricate a better baffled sump.

Cheers,
Si

Umm, If I had made up my mind - It wouldn't be necessary for me to be posting on here. Kinda the point of a forum I thought... to HELP me make up my mind

Anyway, I've found a m16a on the Goldie for $1450 and one in Sydney for about $1200 inc shipping to me. Both low k's. I got a couple of other people getting back to me as well.

There will be a number of things I will need to swap from the m13 to fit the Jimny. Manifolds, throttle body, water and heater hoses. Perhaps a few other things.

Aren't most people suggesting M15 or M18? Sounds like you've made up your mind and don't really want the advice.

[royce]

Awesome, get an engine that is tuned for more power and breathes heaps different and lump it with the intake exhaust and control of a shitter little 1.3

I would bet even the different cams in it play havoc witht eh VVT control in the M13 ECU

[Bugsta]

You do know I talk to people outside this forum right? And squibby was talking about me first wanting to take it back for warranty issues... but discussing it here and with others, and as I suspected anyway, I would have little luck with that. So my first choice (at this stage) would be an m16, second an m18, third an m15 and last an m13. Final decision will depend on cost/funds, work/effort required and availability to name a few.

I don't know how you could know where my mind is at. AND I am allowed to change it as I do more research... which is where I am still at.

Oh, and advice is just that - advice. Been over this before. Speak to 10 people and get 10 different answers. 9 are going to be disappointed their advice was not used if they feel that strongly about it. In the end my decision, my money, my work, and I have to be happy with it.

I haven't yet read definitive evidence that an m16a can't work effectively in my application. Until I do, its still on the cards.

[Fatzook]

Yeah I've owned a swift sport for 4 years, and its the wrong motor for an off-road driven vehicle. If you had limitless gearing options for the jimny, like you do for sierra's, it wouldn't be such a bad idea. But this is not the case.

IMO the M15 would be the better, CHEAP option, with the M18 being my prefered choice.

You need to worry less about the internals of the motor, and worry more about the rest of your driveline not being able to withstand the increase in power, and your 'lack of mechanical sympathy' driving style.

[Bugsta]

royce wrote:

Awesome, get an engine that is tuned for more power and breathes heaps different and lump it with the intake exhaust and control of a shitter little 1.3

I would bet even the different cams in it play havoc witht eh VVT control in the M13 ECU

And all that is info I am still trying to find out

For starters, I should think a 2" exhaust is still ample for a 1.6L.

I'd also add, that my feeling is that a more powerful motor means I have to give it less to do the same job, or it will just do it better. Gotta start somewhere.

[Bugsta]

Ok, the m18 has more torque than the m16. How does that fit into your argument of the m16 being the wrong choice Fatzook?

[royce]

FOR FUCKS SAKE DONT YOU LISTEN EVER!!!!!!!!!!!!

been said on here a million times (if you payed attention rather than jsut coming and trying to self validate your own opinions when you blow shit up) that the M16VVT is a vastly different engine to the rest, its jsut not going to work with the fuel, spark and cam delivery of the M13 ECU

You cant use the M16 ecu as its canbus, talks to everything and gets the shits if something doesnt talk back, including the dash.

You arent smart enough to get around it, you arent rich enough to get round it, if you were you would be on a forum complaining you blew up antoher 1000hp engine in your ski boat, not talking about a cheap little Jimny

You wont get any evidence, cause nobody has been stupid enough to try cause its obvious with very little thought its not going to work

Either learn how to work a forum or fuck off for good, your constant stupid ideas and having a sook when you dont agree with people not agreeing with you are tiring

[Fatzook]

Bugsta wrote:

I'd also add, that my feeling is that a more powerful motor means I have to give it less to do the same job, or it will just do it better. Gotta start somewhere.

LIKE FUCK!! I'd wager BIG money that you'll find the floor boards near on everytime you turn the key, regardless of wether it has an M13 or M18..... I've seen you drive....and from what I can tell, you have close to zero moderation of the gas pedal.

[Bugsta]

And yes, if it turns out the m16 IS in fact the wrong choice, my next is the m18... as said.

[Bugsta]

ummm... wow!

[Fatzook]

Bugsta wrote:

Ok, the m18 has more torque than the m16. How does that fit into your argument of the m16 being the wrong choice Fatzook?

EDIT: Ummm, you want MORE torque! Not less!

Its the same old argument as the 20v toyota swap. Most say that its crap for anything thats not being raced, cos it makes no low down torque, and all the power is way up in the revs. The same is true of the M16 swift motor. They have a VERY light flywheel, which helps the motor spin up quickly, but it also has less centrifugal mass, so it loses rotational speed quite quickly too. This is a problem if you push up against a rock or a rut. In essence, the motor will stall out easier.....hence why you have to carry a boot full of revs everywhere...

[zukenutter]

Rotary

[zukenutter]

LOL... Just noticed "royce - omnipotent being"

Off topic sorry but funny.

[monley]

Wonder how long the t-case and g-box is going to last with a m18a

[atari4x4]

monley wrote:

My engine is coming up to 23,000KM i hope this doesn't happen to me...

going by the rate of failures on the rest of your jinmy, i give it 6 months max.

[squibby]

ROFL, this thread is hilarious. The master of distruction. Just put another M13 or an M15 in and cane the tits off it till it blows up again. Leave the M18's for the rest of us.