[twitchy]

Does anyone in Brissy have a code reader thingy for the computer faults??? Willing to re-imburse in the form of cash or beer for the code read!!!!!!!

Llewylen motors wanted $120 & wont do it on a Saturday.

[atari4x4]

DIY?

viewtopic.php?f=5&t=6451&hilit=j20a+error+codes

viewtopic.php?f=5&t=31555&hilit=j20a+error+codes

[twitchy]

I bought a OBD11 blue tooth scan tool & have the "Torque" app on my phone but it wont talk to the computer.
Will have a go at the manual read of the codes.
Mine is intermittent & some times will be like it's over fuelled & then sometimes it will ping it's fuggen head off. I back off the gas & hit it again it will go away for a while.

[royce]

They arent ODBII, even though its that type of plug so none of that stuff works

if the check engine lights isnt on, there are no codes

[twitchy]

royce wrote:

They arent ODBII, even though its that type of plug so none of that stuff works

if the check engine lights isnt on, there are no codes

It's on all the time now....

[jimny_timmy]

twitchy wrote:

royce wrote:

They arent ODBII, even though its that type of plug so none of that stuff works

if the check engine lights isnt on, there are no codes

It's on all the time now....

Have you tried resetting it?

[fordem]

royce wrote:

They arent ODBII, even though its that type of plug so none of that stuff works

if the check engine lights isnt on, there are no codes

Not quite right - if the check light isn't on, there are no ACTIVE codes - there may be stored codes from faults that have been previously detected and have cleared, for whatever reason - for example - if you disconnect the CTS sensor and switch the ignition on, the ECU will detect it and set a code, if you then reconnect the sensor, the ECU will clear that code, but will store it in memory until the next time the codes are cleared or the battery is disconnected.

Stored codes can only be read using a code reader.

[twitchy]

So I take it no one has one?????????????????? All good, I will do the manual check & then see how much one of the bastard things cost. MIght be able to help out Brissy Zookers a bit more then.

[royce]

I have one but I have no time to get to you or even look at yours in my driveway for about 3 weeks, if you had piped up a week ago it would of been fine

I dont even know that it works with GV's, works with mine but is iffy with G13BB jimnys

google rhinopower, its what I have, rhinoman is the guy that makes them and is on here a bit as well, but for codes doing it the manual way is going to provide as much info as the reader, there is no voodoo black magic in these things

[Mike57]

Has anyone published a list of the fault codes and I am guessing they are model specific?

[twitchy]

Cool beans Royce, if I am still stuck after I move house I will call upon you with beer & we shall see if it works

[twitchy]

Mike57 wrote:

Has anyone published a list of the fault codes and I am guessing they are model specific?

Go up to Atari's post mate, has lots of good info in the links.

[atari4x4]

Mike57 wrote:

Has anyone published a list of the fault codes and I am guessing they are model specific?

the 2 links i posted earlier have the codes for the J20a & H25a

EDIT: way too slow

[mrgtt34]

if you get to stuck i can probly bring a launch scan tool home. but $120 isnt that bad when its probly a 10grand tool . people dont understand that. I deal with trouble codes all day long.

[twitchy]

That'd be cool mate, re-imbursed in beer??????? Be at home pretty well all weekend!!!

[mrgtt34]

What is it vitara? and year? just want to make sure i have the plug

[fordem]

royce wrote:

but for codes doing it the manual way is going to provide as much info as the reader, there is no voodoo black magic in these things

Again - I have to disagree - the code reader's ability to pull a stored code puts you at an advantage over the paper clip/CEL method.

Here's one such scenario...

The vehicle is a '97 V6 Vitara with a history of stalling issues - pull up at an intersection or traffic signal and it may or may not idle, turning the a/c on will prevent it from stalling. It's never set a CEL, and unless there is a CEL the paper clip method doesn't give any details. The IAC valve, which is what controls the idle was replaced, but the problem continued.

One afternoon we were fooling around with Rhinoman's software and the Vitara was in for a regular service, so we hooked it up - no active codes, which wasn't surprising since the CEL was off, but there was a stored "open TPS" code - the TPS was intermittent - replaced the TPS, problem solved.

The readers, including Rhinoview if you take the time to create a config file are also capable of providing much more than just codes.

[Mike57]

atari4x4 wrote:

Mike57 wrote:

Has anyone published a list of the fault codes and I am guessing they are model specific?

the 2 links i posted earlier have the codes for the J20a & H25a

EDIT: way too slow

Thanks for pointing out those links that was just the clue I needed. The DTC list was in the cheap handbook that I got on EBay.

[twitchy]

mrgtt34 wrote:

What is it vitara? and year? just want to make sure i have the plug

2000 Grand Vitara, has the obd11 type plug if that makes a difference...

[Rhinoman]

fordem wrote:

The readers, including Rhinoview if you take the time to create a config file are also capable of providing much more than just codes.

I can now create config files for any ECU that has the diagnostic link on pin 9, all I need is the model and the ECU ID number from Rhinoview. I'm currently completing the mapping of all known IDs.

[royce]

fordem wrote:

royce wrote:

but for codes doing it the manual way is going to provide as much info as the reader, there is no voodoo black magic in these things

Again - I have to disagree - the code reader's ability to pull a stored code puts you at an advantage over the paper clip/CEL method.

Here's one such scenario...

The vehicle is a '97 V6 Vitara with a history of stalling issues - pull up at an intersection or traffic signal and it may or may not idle, turning the a/c on will prevent it from stalling. It's never set a CEL, and unless there is a CEL the paper clip method doesn't give any details. The IAC valve, which is what controls the idle was replaced, but the problem continued.

One afternoon we were fooling around with Rhinoman's software and the Vitara was in for a regular service, so we hooked it up - no active codes, which wasn't surprising since the CEL was off, but there was a stored "open TPS" code - the TPS was intermittent - replaced the TPS, problem solved.

The readers, including Rhinoview if you take the time to create a config file are also capable of providing much more than just codes.

I am well aware of how well they work and what it does, its why I bought one, but you've mentioned one occurrence of a stored code and no diagnostic work done, youve jsut chucked some parts at it and got lucky, like a lot of mechanics do these days.

I'll counter with a G13BB engine with the CEL coming on intermittently, and the limp mode causing power loss and making it hard to drive.
No codes retrieved manually or with Rhinoview (it said it cant on that model ECU) and all the live data looked as good as it could be.

Problem was garbage in the vacuum hose to the MAP sensor, clean it out and good as gold.

Thinking you can plug a thingy in and get a magic answer to all your problems isn't a substitute for sound diagnostics, its only a part of it.

[bailey08]

twitchy wrote:

mrgtt34 wrote:

What is it vitara? and year? just want to make sure i have the plug

2000 Grand Vitara, has the obd11 type plug if that makes a difference...

they even have all the OBD2 wiring, it's just something turned off inside ECU that makes it non-obd2, it also has an extra wire for the (SDL) Suzuki Data Link.

[Rhinoman]

The MY2000 model GVs that we got here use the diagnostic link on pin 9 (SDL). Outside of the EU and the US its usually the 2001 on models that have the link on pin 7, it uses the ISO physical layer (hardware) but a Suzuki proprietary version of the KW protocol. The extra wire on pin 9 is usually for an immo, ATM or for programming.

[bailey08]

Rhinoman wrote:

The MY2000 model GVs that we got here use the diagnostic link on pin 9 (SDL). Outside of the EU and the US its usually the 2001 on models that have the link on pin 7, it uses the ISO physical layer (hardware) but a Suzuki proprietary version of the KW protocol. The extra wire on pin 9 is usually for an immo, ATM or for programming.

does this mean there's no way to get it to work on the ELM327 chip with bluetooth adapters.

[JrZook]

royce wrote:

and all the live data looked as good as it could be.

Problem was garbage in the vacuum hose to the MAP sensor, clean it out and good as gold.

Wouldn't that show up as slow reacting or non changing manifold pressures in the live data then?

[royce]

JrZook wrote:

royce wrote:

and all the live data looked as good as it could be.

Problem was garbage in the vacuum hose to the MAP sensor, clean it out and good as gold.

Wouldn't that show up as slow reacting or non changing manifold pressures in the live data then?

You would think so, didnt but.

[twitchy]

Rhinoman wrote:

The MY2000 model GVs that we got here use the diagnostic link on pin 9 (SDL). Outside of the EU and the US its usually the 2001 on models that have the link on pin 7, it uses the ISO physical layer (hardware) but a Suzuki proprietary version of the KW protocol. The extra wire on pin 9 is usually for an immo, ATM or for programming.

I know you wrote something but I have absoloutely no fuggen idea what you said.........

[twitchy]

mrgtt34, how'd ya go champ???????????

[twitchy]

twitchy wrote:

mrgtt34, how'd ya go champ???????????

I take it by the lack of response you had no luck getting it????

[gypsy]

I can scan suzuki