[joeblow]

well for starters kenn is one of the best drivers i have come across offroad, so i take his advice seriously.

as for dinosour efi it comes down to many things, not just the ecu and injectors but also anciliary items. as for the gti being more comfortable reaching revs i would have to say bananas!

i have had a gti sierra (and unfortunately have had to fix many more) and one thing it did not do was reach high revs 'more' comfortably, the 1.6 does it with so much less carrying on.

as for the system of 2 cams being better than 1, well that just stems from a design point, not a performance point. it is much easier to design a multivalve stystem using two cams than it is one. with todays cad programs and cnc machines it is much more feasable to design a sixteen valve head with one cam, plus running one cam means friction loss of one, not two. and the thing with adjustable rockers, well every 100k or so they are adjusted and thats it, with buckets can can develope air pockets etc, which gti's are famous for. once again the 'bucket' system just stems from a design point, not a performance one.

another thing i have noticed over the years is a lot of 'gti' racers, being unable to find good gti motors actually swiching to 1600 16 valve engines.(which i have sourced for them) so far all have said they will not waste anymore time with a gti and the potential of the 1600's is far greater, both power and strength wise. and on another scene i have had many gti powered sierra's converted to 1.6 after said owners had driven a 1.6 mpfi vehicle. once again, they also said they would not waste thier time.

yes, this is a thread about what people think is the best on and off-road motor, myself and others like kenn have 'actually' wheeled with a lot of different engine combos, and while the gti engine is a decent engine, it is not far superior in design and technology to the 1.6, in particular late model baleno's etc. i would say i would love to have a h20v6 and auto, which i could, but it would start outweighing the benefits of a lightweight 1.6. a lexus 1fuz would be nice too....but alass....not legal.

once again i ask what experience '4 wheeling' do you have with zook engine combos. saying the 1.3 gti is far superior to other zook motors is a big call. and don't feed me this 'mechanic' stuff. i used to hear it all the time when i had a workshop.

said H20 sitting in the shed..............................

[Zook_Fan]

y dont you run that in the LJ?

[kenn]

Not yet.......

[joeblow]

Zook_Fan wrote:

y dont you run that in the LJ?

oh.........i will be.................i will be............

[kenn]

blingdup wrote:

OK grandpa, thanks for telling me how to 4wd.

Ignorance is no excuse for buggering the bush or the other people that use it.

[blingdup]

You are very comfortable in assuming peoples inexperience joeblow.
Yes, I have "actually" wheeled 1.6 mpfi powered sierras and vitaras and personally think the only thing going for them is the extra capacity, and i totally disagree about the performance and reliability of twin cam bucket and shim designs.Why does just about every high performance 4 cylinder engine run that setup, coincidence?
The only problems that arise from bucket setups are due to poor oil quality from "gti racers" not changing there oil regularly.
Those v6 engines are well designed, and hence, quad cam bucket and shim. Fitting one of those in a sierra or lj is just showing off.

[blingdup]

kenn, I could roost my Suzuki through the bush all day long, and the Land Cruiser idling along behind me would be doing all the damage.

[kenn]

blingdup wrote:

kenn, I could roost my Suzuki through the bush all day long, and the Land Cruiser idling along behind me would be doing all the damage.

True, but why make it look hard

[blingdup]

Ha ha, good question. Dont get me wrong, I appreciate crawling over larger obstacles, utilising the reduction gears, tyres and lockers we all spend good money on, it can be quite enjoyable.
I 1.6 with an auto behind it would be ideal for this style of driving, hence my first post. I wasnt having a dig at people that drive like this.
Nor was I expecting so much critacism
Im concidering building a 1.6 bottom end with a gti head and aftermarket ecu to take advantage of the extra torque and auto box, although I havnt looked at how the vitara ecu controls the auto yet, but I reckon this would be a pritty good all round package.

[kenn]

emjme3, in answer to your original question. I believe the 1.6 EFI vit motor to be the best all round engine for a Suzuki.
The 1.6 in my LJ has been in there for five years now and as yet has never had a problem !!!
They pull from about 1100 rpm all the way to 6200rpm, no problem.
It tows my work trailer when the Grand Vitara is being serviced ,no problem.
It does 110kph on the highway, no problem.
It drives on any angle i put it on, no problem.
As for sand ,sand is the natural home for Suzuki's , if you find wanting for anything in a Suzuki on sand its more fuel, so you can keep having fun.
The Vit 1.6 was designed and built to be in a 4WD and does its job very well.
I've driven a lot of vehicles in my time from Daihatsu handi vans to V12 Lamborghinis, all have there pros and cons like anything, but the Vit motors have more pros than cons for what you want. Best bang for buck.
After all your building a 4WD not a sports car.