[sideways]

monley wrote:

Yeh my dodgy RUF is really helping me fit a longer shock and not need B/S spacer

You have very little understanding of trigonometry, don't you?

[monley]

sideways wrote:

monley wrote:

Yeh my dodgy RUF is really helping me fit a longer shock and not need B/S spacer

You have very little understanding of trigonometry, don't you?

I know what your saying, buy I just don't think moving the bottom mount, say 25mm one way is going to make that much difference and allowing it to flex to the bump stop. I can try the shocks on a stock wt to show to you that its not really making that much of a difference.

Btw I use trigonetry all the time. Part of my job

[2stroker]

monley wrote:

100% sure mine are 81340's. I hand pick them from the shelf my self (cus supercheap are useless ) I will have a measure up this weekend if i get time.

Yeah monkey what I mean is that Zookfans may not be 81340's if you guys are finding them the right length.

In that pic your diff is way forward, how far, what springs, what have you done with steering, have you moved/modified shock towers.

[Jackson]

sideways wrote:

monley wrote:

Yeh my dodgy RUF is really helping me fit a longer shock and not need B/S spacer

You have very little understanding of trigonometry, don't you?

2strocker said anything over 300mm is virtually useless in a stock zook. Using that Monley can fit something 301mm at best because of moving the diff forward 25mm.

81340's are 313mm compressed.

[monley]

2stroker wrote:

monley wrote:

100% sure mine are 81340's. I hand pick them from the shelf my self (cus supercheap are useless ) I will have a measure up this weekend if i get time.

Yeah monkey what I mean is that Zookfans may not be 81340's if you guys are finding them the right length.

In that pic your diff is way forward, how far, what springs, what have you done with steering, have you moved/modified shock towers.

Sorry miss read

Springs are some "jenkings springs" I had lying around - no idea on lenght, or exactly how much they moved my diff forward. Nothing has been moved/modified in anyway. Everything is still in the stock position.

[2stroker]

Please take a photo of the part number on your shockies and post it up because if the 81340's are 313 when compressed and you have 81340's I just cant see it deforming the bump stop like in that pic monley posted.

I know you guys love bagging me when I try to explain stuff so a picture tells a thousand words.

I have been saying for a while that 300mm compressed length is the absolute maximum with stock springs, shackles bumpstops, this is why:



I have been saying that longer than 500mm extended length is not warranted with stock springs, shackles bumpstops, this is why:

Note that the jack is so hard up that the leaf is actually starting to go out of shape in the middle

[Tyron]

Great pics 2stroker.

[2stroker]

If that white car in the photo's is monely's that diff looks a lot further forward that 25mm. I just measured clearance with a standard bore shock with standard diff position, the ssmall bore standard shocks clear the side of the bump stop bracket by 15mm, with that big bore yellow shock and the diff that far forward I really need to see a picture of it from the side with the wheel off. If you have modified nothing only firtted longer springs and those boomarang shackles were the yellow shocks in with those springs and diff that far forward or did you change to the red shocks at the same time.

[SierraDan]

And commodore shocks?
Mine was about 50mm forward.

[atari4x4]

thanks for taking the time to take & post the pics 2stroker, not being a sierra guy i see what you're talking about.

i'm pretty sure monley didn't run those big bore yellow shocks with the RUF... monley???

[SierraDan]

In his pics they're red. Commodore shocks.

[Red89]

313mm would take it pretty close to the centre of the 'bottom' mounting bolt would it not, admittedly fully compressed though with no room for extra bumpstop compression ?

[2stroker]

SierraDan wrote:

In his pics they're red. Commodore shocks.

No mate go back and have another look, he has a pic with a red gabriel commodore shock and a yellow blupac shock beside it for comparison, he says he took the yellow one out and fitted the red one and had more travel and better ride.

I am asking him to clarify if he was running the yellow shocks with the long springs, forward mounted diff, ruf and boomarang shackles or if those upgrades were done at the same time that he fitted the red shockies.

I am also asking if he could check the number on the red shockies and the yellow shockies and post a pic of the numbers so we can verify what he actually has.

My pics are there for all to see, they prove that it is not good practice to use longer than 30cm compressed length shocks without mods and they prove that greater that 50cm extended length is not warranted if you have standard length springs and shackles.

[2stroker]

Hi Red89, you are right it would take it to about the centre of the bottom mounting pin however that 313mm is from the centre of the bottom shock eye rubber to the washer on the pin without the rubber on the pin, once you put the 20mm rubber on the pin the compressed shock is actually 333, dont forget that is before you allow for the diff pushing up into the rubber bump stop.

I have had Suzuki's since the early 80's and we have always searched for cheap options with shockies, I believe that these commodore shockies are a good cheap option however on standard length springs they are not as good as something like a 1971-1978 holden station wagon shock which is 297mm compressed and 497mm extended and is a lot better than a standard sierra shock at 256mm - 415mm.

[monley]

2stroker wrote:

SierraDan wrote:

In his pics they're red. Commodore shocks.

No mate go back and have another look, he has a pic with a red gabriel commodore shock and a yellow blupac shock beside it for comparison, he says he took the yellow one out and fitted the red one and had more travel and better ride.

I am asking him to clarify if he was running the yellow shocks with the long springs, forward mounted diff, ruf and boomarang shackles or if those upgrades were done at the same time that he fitted the red shockies.

I am also asking if he could check the number on the red shockies and the yellow shockies and post a pic of the numbers so we can verify what he actually has.

My pics are there for all to see, they prove that it is not good practice to use longer than 30cm compressed length shocks without mods and they prove that greater that 50cm extended length is not warranted if you have standard length springs and shackles.

Everything was fitted at once. Gabriel shocks, longer springs, and boomerang shackles. The only number's i could find on the shock was 733508 and QO9552 I haven't searched Gabriels website to see if any of those number correspond with super cheaps number they have put on the box.

I know it's good practice to have 1" of shaft still exposed with the car on bumps, but i don't think my setup would. I will cut the dust caps of and take a look to see how much shaft is still showing with the car flexed to bump.....

[atari4x4]

those partn umbers match up with the gabriel website

http://gabriel.com/our-products/car-lig ... /?q=733508

http://gabriel.com/our-products/car-lig ... tnum=81340

an interesting fitment list, but no commodores.

R 70-74 American Motors Ambassador
R 70-74 American Motors AMX
R 80-88 American Motors Eagle
R 70-74 American Motors Javelin
R 71-78 American Motors Matador
R 76-87 Chevrolet Chevette
R 83-89 Isuzu Impulse
R 74-77 Nissan 710 Hardtop
R 74-77 Nissan 710 Sedan
R 76-87 Pontiac Acadian CAN
R 81-87 Pontiac T1000
R 74 Toyota Corolla 1200
R 76-79 Toyota Corolla Coupe
R 75-78 Toyota Corolla Hardtop
R 75-79 Toyota Corolla Sedan
R 73-74 Toyota Corona Hardtop
R 73-76 Toyota Corona Sedan
R 80-81 Toyota Corona Wagon
R 78-80 Toyota Cressida Wagon
F 69-74 Toyota Land Cruiser
F 75-79 Toyota Land Cruiser Sport Utility;FJ55(MfrBodyCode)

[2stroker]

Thanks monley

[SierraDan]

2stroker wrote:

SierraDan wrote:

In his pics they're red. Commodore shocks.

No mate go back and have another look.

I looked again. Still red.

[JrZook]

SierraDan wrote:

2stroker wrote:

SierraDan wrote:

In his pics they're red. Commodore shocks.

No mate go back and have another look.

I looked again. Still red.

Ay Dan got any real descent tech that can actually help ppl out these days like 2-Stroker has posted up?....... Maybe you're too busy playing with the hardcore boys now to realise the simplistic message 2-stroker is trying to convey in these posts. Who gives a shit what colour they are in the pic monley said he ran them yellow ones first with the setup he had to start off with but that's not really the point of the topic anyway.

Whole point here is that if you have shocks with a too long compressed length without a bumpstop spacer you risk destroying the shock/shock mount under heavy compression. This would most likely happen at speed thus the implications could be pretty bad. If on the otherhand you run a bs spacer to suit the shock with tires that would clear the guards even without a spacer you end up with a net loss of travel provided the shock has adequate extended length.

Even Atardi can make sense of the post so Q.E.D

[SierraDan]

Yeah.. I have a different style of car now so I forget what a shock is.. Hmm..
Can you quote where he said that? I can't find it. And he just said above the RUF/Gabriel's were fitted at once.

[2stroker]

Actually sierradan you have forgotten a lot of things, you have forgotten that last year you were on P plates driving your first Suzuki, you have forgotten asking us basic stuff last year like what the inside of a diff looks like, you have forgotten that you are a young bloke with limited mechanical knowledge who in reality has very little knowledge at all.

[SierraDan]

[atari4x4]

how's that for a BURN... nicely done 2storker

[SierraDan]

Haha, ill go get a bandaid.

So anyone got the quote?

[2stroker]

Here you go, a couple of quotes:

"Yeah, I've never pulled a diff apart before so I'm not really aware on how the backlash should be like" - Sierradan, 22/02/2011

"How do I then get the shackle back on?.....I undid the p/s ubolts moved the diff.... now my shackle won't go in" - Sierradan fitting springs to a car for the very first time, 11/03/2011

"Ooooh. Sweet! I welded for the first time last night, I like it! I want one now" - Sierradan, 30/11/2011

There are plenty more if you like, or we could just kiss and make up.

[2stroker]

In your defences though mate, while wasting time looking for those quotes so that I could post up a smart arse response I saw that in the short time you have been into Suzuki's you have actually done more good work on your car and done more decent wheeling than most suzuki owners do in years of owning them.

So yeah you are actually alright.........

[SierraDan]

Thanks?

I'm just here to argue that The shocks with a bumpstop spacer are cheap and simple setup that works. As long as my car had the set up i've argued it, and I will continue to.

[monley]

I didn't run the YELLOW blue pac shocks at all with the longer leafs/shackles just for confirmation. The jenkins springs, commy shocks and shackles all went on last Saturday afternoon.

[Matthew]

monley, how is the steering?
Do you have any problems with the draglink and tierod rubbing when flexed?

[KEENSY85]

monley wrote:

Yeh my dodgy RUF is really helping me fit a longer shock and not need B/S spacer

How far foward is that diff heck (50mm?)