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MacDaddy
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Joined: Thu Mar 26, 2009 10:30 pm Posts: 10453 Location: Perth, Australia
Vehicle: Jeep
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 Posted: Mon Sep 17, 2012 12:15 am |
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I had my standard clutch replaced last year, due to slipping... its been slipping again recently, and gradually getting worse... went 4wheelin today, and it looks like i have killed my clutch now, when accelerating, it slips, when cruising on h'way, the revs were going up and down, as it slipped and grabbed, sounded a bit like an auto changing up and down, haha, and when i got home, could definitely smell hot clutch... so, it looks like i will have to get a better Heavy Duty Clutch, as i dont want to be replacing my clutch every year, sooo, to my questions... What is a good make of Heavy Duty Clutch for my 01 GV ? Does anyone have one fitted, and how does it go, how do you find it ? Are there pro's and con's having a Heavy Duty Clutch ? Thanks 
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MacDaddy
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Joined: Thu Mar 26, 2009 10:30 pm Posts: 10453 Location: Perth, Australia
Vehicle: Jeep
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Posted: Mon Sep 17, 2012 11:32 am |
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Just spoke to Suzistore, they can do a Clutch Industries HD one for $350, or an Exedy HD for $395... anyone know which is the better one to get ?
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ninjamoses
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Joined: Mon Aug 13, 2007 11:30 pm Posts: 1787 Location: Butler, WA
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Posted: Mon Sep 17, 2012 11:42 am |
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Exedy H/D for $320 delivered: http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/H-DUTY-CLUTC ... 506wt_1139Bigrig and myself are both running the exedy h/d. Considering I've driven a whole 500m I can't comment on the durability of it at this stage. Even the standard clutch should last a hell of a lot longer than a year though, especially considering your tyre size is only a smidge bigger than factory. Are you riding it too hard when starting in soft sand etc? Or slipping it in high range when you should probably be in low?
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MacDaddy
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Joined: Thu Mar 26, 2009 10:30 pm Posts: 10453 Location: Perth, Australia
Vehicle: Jeep
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Posted: Mon Sep 17, 2012 12:01 pm |
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ninjamoses wrote: Exedy H/D for $320 delivered: http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/H-DUTY-CLUTC ... 506wt_1139Bigrig and myself are both running the exedy h/d. Considering I've driven a whole 500m I can't comment on the durability of it at this stage. Even the standard clutch should last a hell of a lot longer than a year though, especially considering your tyre size is only a smidge bigger than factory. Are you riding it too hard when starting in soft sand etc? Or slipping it in high range when you should probably be in low? Yeah i would love to buy it off ebay, but i need my GV fixed asap...  They can get the Clutch Industries HD one in this arvo, i will have to wait 2 to 3 days for the Exedy... Yes it should last longer than it did... havnt been in sand for 8months... i prefer low range when off roading, gives me more control/options... i am a bit of a hoon, and drive my GV like a sports car, so maybe it just doesnt like my hoon driving style, lol... 
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atari4x4
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Joined: Mon Dec 11, 2006 10:30 pm Posts: 34842 Location: East Radelayed
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Posted: Mon Sep 17, 2012 12:04 pm |
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i have some 4.8:1 diff ratio's that would be a perfect swap to counter act the larger tyres. front one would need building up into your steel diff.
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zukmeista
Joined: Sun Mar 22, 2009 10:30 pm Posts: 1273 Location: Whangarei,N.Z.
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Posted: Mon Sep 17, 2012 12:09 pm |
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MacDaddy wrote: Yes it should last longer than it did... havnt been in sand for 8months... i prefer low range when off roading, gives me more control/options... i am a bit of a hoon, and drive my GV like a sports car, so maybe it just doesnt like my hoon driving style, lol... You can hoon as much as you want, it won't kill the clutch, but if you slip it alot it will die a smelly death
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MacDaddy
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Joined: Thu Mar 26, 2009 10:30 pm Posts: 10453 Location: Perth, Australia
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Posted: Mon Sep 17, 2012 1:02 pm |
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zukmeista wrote: MacDaddy wrote: Yes it should last longer than it did... havnt been in sand for 8months... i prefer low range when off roading, gives me more control/options... i am a bit of a hoon, and drive my GV like a sports car, so maybe it just doesnt like my hoon driving style, lol... You can hoon as much as you want, it won't kill the clutch, but if you slip it alot it will die a smelly death As far as i know, i dont slip it at all, except off road a bit, when climbing over rocks, and i only go 4wheelin once a month...  
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zukmeista
Joined: Sun Mar 22, 2009 10:30 pm Posts: 1273 Location: Whangarei,N.Z.
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Posted: Mon Sep 17, 2012 1:13 pm |
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In that case I would be going to the person that did the job and see if they will sort it? 1 year isn't very long...
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dhula
Joined: Sun Jan 01, 2012 2:05 am Posts: 207 Location: Rockingham, West Oz
Vehicle: 2002 GV V6 and self shifter
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Posted: Mon Sep 17, 2012 2:28 pm |
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Rear main of slave leaking perhaps, contaminating clutch surfaces. (does slave leak into bell housing covering clutch in fluid???????? Not sure so asking)
Clutch should last heaps longer.
It pedal adjusted proper to give proper amount of free travel?
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gravity_powered
Joined: Tue Aug 26, 2008 11:30 pm Posts: 348 Location: Adelaide Hills
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Posted: Mon Sep 17, 2012 3:37 pm |
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Beware of the Excedy. There was a thread a couple of years ago about their GV HD clutch being average. I seem to remember that Steak_knife killed one in a weekend.
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MacDaddy
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Joined: Thu Mar 26, 2009 10:30 pm Posts: 10453 Location: Perth, Australia
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Posted: Mon Sep 17, 2012 7:35 pm |
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zukmeista wrote: In that case I would be going to the person that did the job and see if they will sort it? 1 year isn't very long... Sean did it at Suzistore, he is the Perth Zook Mechanic God, i very much doubt he stuffed it up... dhula wrote: Rear main of slave leaking perhaps, contaminating clutch surfaces. (does slave leak into bell housing covering clutch in fluid???????? Not sure so asking)
Clutch should last heaps longer.
It pedal adjusted proper to give proper amount of free travel? The clutch cylinder was leaking when i got my clutch done last year, it was all fixed up, with new parts... have to let the pedal 2/3rds of its complete travel to engage clutch... gravity_powered wrote: Beware of the Excedy. There was a thread a couple of years ago about their GV HD clutch being average. I seem to remember that Steak_knife killed one in a weekend. Oh great... well hopefully they fixed the problem in the few years since, as i chose to get the Exedy Clutch... will be done on Wed...
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alien
Joined: Wed Mar 24, 2010 10:30 pm Posts: 16343 Location: Perth
Vehicle: '92 Sierra, 1.6efi, SPOA, 31s.
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Posted: Mon Sep 17, 2012 7:45 pm |
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get the seals replaced with genuine at the same time mark... i had the same happen to me - and it was a non-genuine seal with only a years driving on it that had failed... the genuine seals that were in there from 5 years previous to that were perfectly fine! (i had them replaced as well though).
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Built4thrashing
Joined: Wed May 21, 2008 11:30 pm Posts: 4972 Location: Dandenong .Vic
Vehicle: 1999 GV. Locked and Lifted
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Posted: Mon Sep 17, 2012 7:47 pm |
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Ive had new clutches fail within 6 months when the flywheel wasnt machined or if the pressure plate was stressed or broken when gearbox was re installed.
Mate has killed 3 clutches in his V8 hilux due to wrong assembly. If too much force is applied to pressure plate on a diagonal it can fracture the center.
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JrZook
Joined: Tue Aug 08, 2006 11:30 pm Posts: 5517 Location: Holland Park
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Posted: Mon Sep 17, 2012 9:18 pm |
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MacDaddy wrote: he is the Perth Zook Mechanic God Is he human?? 
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Chop
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Joined: Sat Aug 12, 2006 11:30 pm Posts: 6456 Location: Radelaide ofcourse!
Vehicle: Suzuki GV 03/ 2010 DDIS NGV
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Posted: Mon Sep 17, 2012 10:05 pm |
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JrZook wrote: MacDaddy wrote: he is the Perth Zook Mechanic God Is he human?? Yes and he's rubbing his hands together!
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MacDaddy
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Joined: Thu Mar 26, 2009 10:30 pm Posts: 10453 Location: Perth, Australia
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Posted: Mon Sep 17, 2012 11:10 pm |
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alien wrote: get the seals replaced with genuine at the same time mark... i had the same happen to me - and it was a non-genuine seal with only a years driving on it that had failed... the genuine seals that were in there from 5 years previous to that were perfectly fine! (i had them replaced as well though). Which seals are these ? Built4thrashing wrote: Ive had new clutches fail within 6 months when the flywheel wasnt machined or if the pressure plate was stressed or broken when gearbox was re installed.
Mate has killed 3 clutches in his V8 hilux due to wrong assembly. If too much force is applied to pressure plate on a diagonal it can fracture the center. I am getting an exchange machined fly wheel put in as well...
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alien
Joined: Wed Mar 24, 2010 10:30 pm Posts: 16343 Location: Perth
Vehicle: '92 Sierra, 1.6efi, SPOA, 31s.
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Posted: Mon Sep 17, 2012 11:28 pm |
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in the sierra it was the rear main, as well as the gearbox input and output seals...
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MacDaddy
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Joined: Thu Mar 26, 2009 10:30 pm Posts: 10453 Location: Perth, Australia
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Posted: Tue Sep 18, 2012 4:29 am |
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alien wrote: in the sierra it was the rear main, as well as the gearbox input and output seals... Had then all replaced, by Sean, when i had the new stock clutch put in a year ago...
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gregdixon
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Joined: Sun Dec 28, 2008 10:30 pm Posts: 1017 Location: Perth
Vehicle: 2004 SQ625 GV
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Posted: Wed Sep 19, 2012 1:40 pm |
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I fitted a Clutch Industries HD clutch to the blue car when I did the rear main seal. I would fit one again to the silver one if need be. Probably made the same place as excedy but you just have to wait for the pink to be painted on 
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Mattis
Joined: Sun Dec 11, 2011 7:49 am Posts: 35 Location: Perth, WA
Vehicle: 99 GV
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Posted: Wed Sep 19, 2012 1:49 pm |
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gregdixon wrote: I fitted a Clutch Industries HD clutch to the blue car when I did the rear main seal. I would fit one again to the silver one if need be. Probably made the same place as excedy but you just have to wait for the pink to be painted on Ah yes, the magic pink nets you an extra 10hp according to ninjamoses
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ninjamoses
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Joined: Mon Aug 13, 2007 11:30 pm Posts: 1787 Location: Butler, WA
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Posted: Wed Sep 19, 2012 6:49 pm |
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Only got about 7hp out of it I reckon, too much pink paint got scraped off when trying to re-fit the bloody engine second time round.
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MacDaddy
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Joined: Thu Mar 26, 2009 10:30 pm Posts: 10453 Location: Perth, Australia
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Posted: Wed Sep 19, 2012 7:32 pm |
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Well, i am impressed with my new pink bits... Got my new Exedy HD clutch fitted today, it doesnt like to be let out to very slowly, as it shudders bit, which is an idiosyncrasy of the Exedy, but it doesnt shudder at all with me, just grabs and and off we go, hold on to your hat, hehe ... Yes, the old clutch was buggered, 3/4 of the fingers/fins on the clutch were straight, the other 1/3rd were bowed out, making the clutch slip... they could see it had been slipping alot... they said it was weird, and couldnt explain why 1/3rd of the fingers/fins, were bowed out, only saying it must have gotten very hot... ah well, its all good now...  
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atari4x4
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Posted: Wed Sep 19, 2012 7:55 pm |
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that HD clutch isn't going to be liked slipped off road, will probably fuck out quicker than the stocker.
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JrZook
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Posted: Wed Sep 19, 2012 7:57 pm |
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A year outta a clutch that's nuts!!! Either you must love slipping/smoking that clutch up or it was dodgy. What did the throwout bearing look like. Wonder if that was sticking to the nose cone and not allowing full engagement.
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MacDaddy
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Joined: Thu Mar 26, 2009 10:30 pm Posts: 10453 Location: Perth, Australia
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Posted: Wed Sep 19, 2012 8:55 pm |
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atari4x4 wrote: that HD clutch isn't going to be liked slipped off road, will probably fuck out quicker than the stocker. The only time i slip it is when crawling over rocks or big ruts... and that isnt very often... JrZook wrote: A year outta a clutch that's nuts!!! Either you must love slipping/smoking that clutch up or it was dodgy. What did the throwout bearing look like. Wonder if that was sticking to the nose cone and not allowing full engagement. Yes it is nuts... must have been faulty... Nope neither slipping or smoking the clutch... my money is on the clutch being dodgy/faulty... Throw out bearing was fine, had everything replaced last year, even the fly wheel still had the machining marks on it, so didnt need machining... in fact everything was fine, it was just the clutch that was buggered... the big test will be in the sand at Xmas, when its under the most strain, so will see how it goes then...
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zukmeista
Joined: Sun Mar 22, 2009 10:30 pm Posts: 1273 Location: Whangarei,N.Z.
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Posted: Thu Sep 20, 2012 5:11 am |
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The flywheel should ALWAYS be machined when replacing a clutch. Maybe it still had machining marks on it, but the surface could have been uneven, causing the clutch to fail.
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MacDaddy
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Joined: Thu Mar 26, 2009 10:30 pm Posts: 10453 Location: Perth, Australia
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Posted: Thu Sep 20, 2012 5:41 am |
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zukmeista wrote: The flywheel should ALWAYS be machined when replacing a clutch. Maybe it still had machining marks on it, but the surface could have been uneven, causing the clutch to fail. Yep i agree, and thats what Suzistore said, they took it to get machined, they checked it out, and said it was still perfect, so its less cost to me... its still a mystery why the clutch failed, put it down to a dud... or bots...
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