[shep]

I am thinking that a easy way to improve my steering would be to fit a high steer set up. My current setup suffers a bit from bump steer and i have damaged a few tie rods due to animals running into them.
My front springs are very soft and even changes in road camber causes changes in steering so I would like to get the drag link as flat as possible

Thinking about this kit http://www.lowrangeoffroad.com/index.ph ... 3-kit.html

Does anyone have any experience with this setup, perticually interested in people's experience running the kit on spring under diffs.

Also has anyone tried a panhard on a leaf sprung front diff?

[want33s]

Is that kit available in RHD?
Offroad_Solutions can make beefy tie rod and drag link with bigger Toyota ends. Then get ball to ream out the holes in your swivel hubs...
Happy days.....

[shep]

Oops wrong link. This one is better
http://www.lowrangeoffroad.com/index.ph ... r-kit.html

Beefed up tie rod and drag link wont help with bump steer

[sideways]

shep wrote:

Oops wrong link. This one is better
http://www.lowrangeoffroad.com/index.ph ... r-kit.html

Beefed up tie rod and drag link wont help with bump steer

Ackerman is way out on that, but then it's probably going to be with any high steer kit.

[shep]

sideways wrote:

shep wrote:

Oops wrong link. This one is better
http://www.lowrangeoffroad.com/index.ph ... r-kit.html

Beefed up tie rod and drag link wont help with bump steer

Ackerman is way out on that, but then it's probably going to be with any high steer kit.

Which means?

[shep]

High steer would have to be better then this

[mnemonix]

I've used that sky kit, It's a good bit of gear. Granted, I was springover so my advice won't suit your exact situation.
Made it drive like a dream, better than the snake racing knuckle I was using earlier.

I sold it to another lad on here when I returned to spring under, haven't heard him complain much about it either.

They're a bit dicky to fit because of clearance around bolts and rod ends etc. Need to do up the rod ends before fitting the arms/calipers.
If I was to go SPOA again (or have a SPUA that could use it like yours) It would be my preferred choice for steering.

[alien]

I know you're probably not fussed about it shep, but for others reading this and wanting to engineer their setup, none of the store-bought kits were able to be engineered on mine (engineer wouldn't pass it) - reason being it wasnt made from the right material... i can't remember the exact alloy, but in the end i had my hi-steer made to his specifications (Suzistore did this, as Brian's brother has a machine shop).

There is one other hi-steer kit the same as mine for sale by suzistore as well... the price is very high because of the work to produce it, but its been made to exceed the factory steering parts strength wise.

Just something to consider is all.

[SierraDan]

It'd be good to have the tie rod higher.

[want33s]

shep wrote:

Beefed up tie rod and drag link wont help with bump steer

No, you are right it wont...... but it will help with...

shep wrote:

i have damaged a few tie rods due to animals running into them.

[want33s]

http://www.lowrangeoffroad.com/index.ph ... n-arm.html



You'll probably want one of these too.
http://www.lowrangeoffroad.com/index.ph ... n-arm.html

[shep]

Vitara steering box, no drop pitman from lowrange. What is the second thing? Oh my car is about 100mm above its normal height due to missing everything in front of the firewall

[ajsr]

X 2 drop pitman maybe the best solution

[Gwagensteve]

shep wrote:

Vitara steering box, no drop pitman from lowrange. What is the second thing? Oh my car is about 100mm above its normal height due to missing everything in front of the firewall

I have fitted two vitara drop pitman arms to sierras. One is visible here:



The front of this car is sitting high too (no motor) and steering angles are good. I'm sure Low Range used to sell these.

The other one is in this car:



And the drop is clearly visible in that photo.

I don't believe high steer is feasible in a SPUA sierra. We tried to retain it when we dropped Critta down from SPOA to SPUA and there was no way the drag link would clear the chassis on articulation without MASSIVE bumpstop spacing (like 3"+) Same when I dropped the hardtop above down from SPOA to SPUA many years ago.

This was the highsteer setup in that hardtop long ago



Yes, it's a bit of flat bar welded around a stock kingpin cap, with a little leg bolted to a new hole drilled in the steering arm,,,, at the narrowest point. I don't know who built it, (but it was a long time ago) and thank goodness for commercially available solutions these days.


Steve.

[want33s]

shep wrote:

Vitara steering box, no drop pitman from lowrange. What is the second thing? Oh my car is about 100mm above its normal height due to missing everything in front of the firewall

Good on ya... No vit box in that pic!!!!
Second piece is a bracket to raise the pitman end of the steering damper as the mount on the chassis end doesn't take kindly to the damper being on an angle with dropped pitman...

[royce]

shep wrote:

sideways wrote:

shep wrote:

Oops wrong link. This one is better
http://www.lowrangeoffroad.com/index.ph ... r-kit.html

Beefed up tie rod and drag link wont help with bump steer

Ackerman is way out on that, but then it's probably going to be with any high steer kit.

Which means?

Everyone else has answered the rest, IE drop pitman arm, but Ackerman is the geometry that makes the front wheels turn at different angles when cornering so they all work together in an arc, if both wheels simply turned the same amount, one will always be scrubbing so it would steer crap

the actual angle is wheels straight ahead, draw a line between the pivot point of the tie rod end and the king pins (so the centre of the steering axis) on both sides and these lines should intersect at the centre of the rear axle

[shep]

Haha I am just thinking how to deal with the steering when I stick the vit box and it's flat pitman on. My steering damper is mounted differently then stock now but I hope to put it in the bin when I have power steering. I think that the wobbles that I had before the damper would be solved with a panhard.

I have sent a email to lowrange about a pitman but seeing as the listing was removed a little while ago I am not very hopeful of getting one.


Thanks for the reply gwagon, the pics are very helpful


Edit:: thanks Royce

[ajsr]

shep wrote:

Haha I am just thinking how to deal with the steering when I stick the vit box and it's flat pitman on. My steering damper is mounted differently then stock now but I hope to put it in the bin when I have power steering. I think that the wobbles that I had before the damper would be solved with a panhard.

I have sent a email to lowrange about a pitman but seeing as the listing was removed a little while ago I am not very hopeful of getting one.


Thanks for the reply gwagon, the pics are very helpful


Edit:: thanks Royce

shep you will probably find your bump steer will almost disapear with a flat ish drag link angle.
you may not need ps or even the damper

[shep]

Haha I don't care about needing power steering as I want power steering.