[RAPTOR88]

Hey guys I have a 94 Sierra that I just put an ARB Bullbar on the front. Now I want a winch. I was just wondering if anyone has a ARB bar and what winch you used? I found a winch over here in Perth a 9500Lb one which would be perfect but im not sure if it will fit.
Also what comes in the ARB winch mount pack??

Any help will be perfect,

Cheers
Jon

[zooky08]

I had a Tigerz11 9000lb in mine. Most winches with a 254mm×114.3mm bolt pattern should fit.

[RAPTOR88]

Sweet cheers and did u have the ARB winch mount kit??

[Gwagensteve]

zooky08 wrote:

I had a Tigerz11 9000lb in mine. Most winches with a 254mm×114.3mm bolt pattern should fit.

That depends a bit on the size of the gearbox. If I recall correctly, The winch the bar was designed for was an M6000. an M8000 will fit, and an XD9000 will fit with modifications.

Non-warn winches might be a suck it and see exercise.

The mount pattern will be the same, (10"X4.5") but there's very little room inside a sierra bar.

Personally, I can't see the need for over a real 6000lb rating for a sierra. Most cheaper 9K winches are slow, and slow winches suck if you are assist winching. If it's for once-in-a-blue-moon self recovery, the speed might not be an issue.

Steve.

[joeblow]

Steve keeps going on about 6k winches being fast compared to the 8 and 9k's. What a load of shit. Put a winch that is bigger than a 6k in it and you will be much happier. 6k's are freaking slow and useless when it comes to a serious stuck, and if your zook is heavier than GVM (more than likely) it will stall out rather quickly.

[Dec]

Hey man, i have the same winch bar and run a Tigerz11 10000 pound dyneema winch, i'll warn you that the 6000 pound Tigerz11 will not fit i found that out the hard way.
I purchased the Winch mount kit too and ended up only using the number plate bracket, as the winch came with all things i needed so was a waste of $100.
I do run mine on a Suzuki sierra Sj80 coily though so unless leafys use more bolts and need more battery cable don't waste your money.

[Gwagensteve]

Have another read of my post Joe, you seem to have missed something. I'm not sure I was "going on" about 6K winches in that post,, but now you mention it, here's a page of numbers for you to read and Joeblow to ignore and make a crack about me being short or somehting.

These specs are straight from warns website.

M6000
Load speed load (a)
0 48.5(14. 85 amps 1/6000(2722)
2000(910) 23.7(7.22) 175 amps 2/5460(2477)
4000(1810) 12.9(3.93) 360 amps 3/5000(2268)
6000(2720) 10.0(3.05) 465 amps 4/4670(2118)

XD9000
0 38(11.6) 70 amps 1/9000(4082)
2000(910) 14.4(4.39) 180 amps 2/8190(3715)
4000(1810) 11(3.35) 255 amps 3/7500(3402)
6000(2720) 8.67(2.64) 330 amps 4/7010(3180)
8000(3630) 6.88(2.10) 415 amps
9000(4080) 6.38(1.94) 460 amps

So the M6000 is over 35% faster at 6000lb than a 9000.
In fact, an M6000 is near enough the same speed at 9000lb (through a snatch block) as an XD9000 single-line. and then goes on provide a slow, but achievable 12K pull.

Of course, you could fit the slower, heavier, and more expensive winch and never need to use a snatch block, or you could throw a block in the back and match an XD9000 but have more speed most of the time.

Each to their own. I've been impressed with the warn 6K winches I've seen, and unimpressed with most of the 9K winches I've seen and owned, except for Dank's hybrid low mount. Driving over the winch rope on a long greasy hill, hitting the clutch, sliding back and shock loading the winch because it's super slow is pretty crap though.

I think most cheap 9K winches are significantly slower than even an XD9000 warn, so the performance difference would be even more noticeable.

Steve.

PS I think some non-warn 6K winches are uprated 4000lb-frame winches and won't necessarily fit an ARB (or any) bar.

[Fatzook]

You mexicunts always get wound up about winches. ( see what I did there? )

Maybe its because you are mud plugging up impossibly rutted hills etc, or bogged to your axles when you need your winch, but everywhere else in this fantastic country, a 6K winch will recover a sierra or vitara every time.

Also worth noting that if your ARBAR fails and you have a 9 or 10K winch onboard, ARB will tell you where to go. (they are only rated for 6000lb)

[bazooked]

i had a 6000 warn on my zook for years, was way quicker than most of the other warn winches in the club i was in at the time, never stalled and was in mud wheels covered running 33s never had an issue and recovered lots of other cars. still got it just shortened it to put on the front of the buggy, theres no need to go bigger than a 6000 warn on a zook.

[Gwagensteve]

A 6K winch is plenty for every Suzuki recovery I've ever seen. I don't understand what the fuss is about. I suppose if you wanted to you could drive into something deliberately hard enough to max one out, but that's just being dumb, there's no legitimate reason.

I remember seeing a photo of a car bogged to the bullbar in a hole being used as the reason 6K winches aren't adequate, but that hole could be driven around on dry ground, so I didn't really see it as a valid example.

Steve.

[shep]

My 6500lb tmax winch pulled my Sierra easily and when through a snatch block was identical gearing and hp as a 13000 lb jobbie

[steve125]

Dec wrote:

i'll warn you that the 6000 pound Tigerz11 will not fit i found that out the hard way.

In what way doesn't it fit? Interested to know as I've got a 6,000 sitting in the shed and I'm about to buy an ARB bar.

[ajsr]

I have no preference to one size or the other, but my tigerz 11 6000lbs winch will actually pick my whole sierra up off the ground. Ive tried it.
and its pretty fast

[Fatzook]

steve125 wrote:

Dec wrote:

i'll warn you that the 6000 pound Tigerz11 will not fit i found that out the hard way.

In what way doesn't it fit? Interested to know as I've got a 6,000 sitting in the shed and I'm about to buy an ARB bar.

Zookfan has the same issue.

His Tigerz11 doesn't fit his brand new ARBAR. Think its a 6 or 8K winch. Either way, the mounting girdles don't fit in the bar properly, and once bolted in, the winch fouls on the tube crossmember, preventing the bar from being fixed to the chassis rails.

[Gwagensteve]

Tut tut aj, that winch is far too small

Wonder whether it would fit with a BL?

Steve.

[Dec]

steve125 wrote:

Dec wrote:

i'll warn you that the 6000 pound Tigerz11 will not fit i found that out the hard way.

In what way doesn't it fit? Interested to know as I've got a 6,000 sitting in the shed and I'm about to buy an ARB bar.

It doesn't fit the bolt pattern of the ARB Bar it's not wide enough

6000lb Tigerz11 Winch bolt pattern
Mounting Bolt Pattern
166.4mm×114.3mm

10000lb Tigerz11 Winch bolt pattern
Mounting Bolt Pattern
254mm×114.3mm

[kenn]

I have rarly needed a winch but the times when I did the 6k Warn that I had on my car, was not enough winch, maybe for a standard Suzuki they're fine but not for me.

[atari4x4]

where is that skipping rope vid kenn?

[Teracis]

Just ordered a warn 6k today, 890 or so to my door with this lowrange special. I tried to shop locally but the closest I could get was $1300 and that extra $400 is better in my pocket!

That's with $285 shipping, winch cost was like 600 bucks after discount!

[joeblow]

Gwagensteve wrote:

I remember seeing a photo of a car bogged to the bullbar in a hole being used as the reason 6K winches aren't adequate, but that hole could be driven around on dry ground, so I didn't really see it as a valid example.

Steve.

You really are an asshat most times arent you?

That image was of Kenns car, and you know it. Both myself and Kenn drove through that hole in the exact same manner. He is a lot lighter than myself. My winch (9000) not an issue, Kenns crappy M6000, big fail. I also remember having my own M6000 years ago. I enjoy winching better now with a real winch. And, since when will a warn 6k pull 12k? Or are you just being the expert magazine mechanic you are and just fudjing the figures from the Warn site to suit your explanation?

[zukmeista]

joeblow wrote:

And, since when will a warn 6k pull 12k? Or are you just being the expert magazine mechanic you are and just fudjing the figures from the Warn site to suit your explanation?

Since pulley blocks were invented 'asshat'!

[kenn]

joeblow wrote:

Gwagensteve wrote:

I remember seeing a photo of a car bogged to the bullbar in a hole being used as the reason 6K winches aren't adequate, but that hole could be driven around on dry ground, so I didn't really see it as a valid example.

Steve.

You really are an asshat most times arent you?

That image was of Kenns car, and you know it. Both myself and Kenn drove through that hole in the exact same manner. He is a lot lighter than myself. My winch (9000) not an issue, Kenns crappy M6000, big fail. I also remember having my own M6000 years ago. I enjoy winching better now with a real winch. And, since when will a warn 6k pull 12k? Or are you just being the expert magazine mechanic you are and just fudjing the figures from the Warn site to suit your explanation?

Sorry Steve but you weren't there, there was no dry ground that day and (as we drive on the tracks and try not to make bog holes bigger by punching new tracks around them unless there is no other way) we picked the least problematic path. Joe winched his car out which cleared most of the stuff out of the hole, I drove in and because of my narrower track at the time ended up with my bull bar up against the bank,(no it wasn't bogged to the bull bar, the front of the bar was clear enough to get to the cable without any digging) we hooked up the 6k warn and it stalled out. I hate to say it but the 5k brawn winch that I was testing for brawn years ago was a better winch, a lot slower and louder but stronger, probably gearing. And before you say why didn't you use a snatch block it was quicker and easier just to hook Joe's winch up and just pull my car out with no dramas. That's my real world winching experience not some numbers out of a book the manufacture printed and as I said a 6k warn on a standard car would probably be fine but take a snatch block for when you get stuck..

[Gwagensteve]

Whilst the specifics of that hole on that day are yours to know, the point stands. It's always going to be possible to stall out a winch. I've seen a stuck suzuki stall a 10K winch. Was it that the winch was too small? No, it was because we were winching at a stupid angle and the car was jammed on an overhanging tree root. We could have kept at it until we broke the wheel off or pulled the winch off the front of the recovery car, but it was better to re-rig for a more efficient pull.

You haven't proved anything except that an unspecified 9K winch has more pulling power than an unspecified* 6K winch.... well, der.

*Kenn, was your M6000 an early 2.5hp version or the later, 4.8 HP version? The M6000's I've had experience with have all been the newer 4.8HP winch and I've never failed to be impressed with their power and speed.

I have no doubt the old 2.5hp M6000 is horrid. I reckon the early XD9000 is a pile too. I own one. It's nowhere near a car.

Steve.

[remydog05]

Hey Raptor!
I had a M8000 on my SWB and that car was heavy pretty dam heavy with lots of barwork, etc etc etc.
The M8000 pulled me out of many situations, Id go for one of them again no probs.

[oozuk]

Ahh feeling the love in this thread

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[Jezzer]

I would say a 8000lb one. ( that’s what the 2007 Jimny is rated to) But will depend on the brand as they all differ. They normally have the size listed on their websites.

Any winch can be made into a wireless one using a universal kit


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[Brenno]

I've had both carbon 9500lb and I now have carbon 7000lb fitted. 7000lb needed a bit ground off the top piece to fit the clutch lever