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rhino85
Joined: Sun Nov 06, 2011 9:42 am Posts: 49 Location: Far North Coast NSW
Vehicle: 1985 sj50v SWB
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I've made up a snorkel from 3 inch mild steel with silicone joints. I'm not sure what the best method is for fastening to the windscreen pillar. I have seen people here use nutserts, but I'm after another solution as I don't own a nutsert tool. Ive seen mention of tek screws. Would these work? Or would they tear out? Has any one used toggle screws? Any ideas??? I'm open to all suggestions!
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shep
Joined: Thu Mar 29, 2007 11:30 pm Posts: 14498 Location: Here there everywhere
Vehicle: A manly awesome man jimny
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Perfect excuse to buy a nutsert tool. 
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DarkHorse

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Joined: Wed Apr 14, 2010 11:30 pm Posts: 5413
Vehicle: 08 SV650
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Safari ones use a plastic insert, like the sheetmetal version of a plastic wall plug for masonry or plasterboard.
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Gwagensteve
Joined: Thu Feb 26, 2009 10:30 pm Posts: 13007 Location: Melbourne
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Tek screws will suck. They won't stay tight- the pillar isn't thick enough material for them to hold.
It is possible to install nutsert without a tool.
Steve.
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christover1

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Joined: Tue Jul 15, 2008 11:30 pm Posts: 8203 Location: Melbourne
Vehicle: Pajero 91 NH 3.0 SWB
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I bought a $25 cheapy ebay nutsert tool. Is great for smaller alloy serts, but anything bigger or steel I have to fit them manually.
I used to use tech screws, but vibrations and mud caused them to loosen, rust and start to fall out.
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rhino85
Joined: Sun Nov 06, 2011 9:42 am Posts: 49 Location: Far North Coast NSW
Vehicle: 1985 sj50v SWB
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 Posted: Fri Dec 07, 2012 8:33 am |
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I had a feeling teks wont do. I normally jump at the idea of a new tool, but after pulling a couple nutserts out of my Sierra this week I'm not so sure as they are previous to my ownership so I'm not sure what their purpose was but I just pushed them in by hand with a punch tip and have just bogged up the gaping holes. Not so convinced these are the go.?. We're the old & fatigued or not installed properly?
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rhino85
Joined: Sun Nov 06, 2011 9:42 am Posts: 49 Location: Far North Coast NSW
Vehicle: 1985 sj50v SWB
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 Posted: Fri Dec 07, 2012 8:35 am |
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Wall plugs for metal eh? Sounds interesting?
Does anyone else have bad ideas about nutserts it is this just me? Never been a huge fan of rivets either!
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rhino85
Joined: Sun Nov 06, 2011 9:42 am Posts: 49 Location: Far North Coast NSW
Vehicle: 1985 sj50v SWB
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 Posted: Fri Dec 07, 2012 8:37 am |
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How do you install without the tool?
Last edited by rhino85 on Fri Dec 07, 2012 9:23 am, edited 1 time in total.
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Red89
Joined: Tue Jan 12, 2010 10:30 pm Posts: 2801 Location: Perth
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rhino85
Joined: Sun Nov 06, 2011 9:42 am Posts: 49 Location: Far North Coast NSW
Vehicle: 1985 sj50v SWB
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Red89 wrote: http://www.fjr1300.info/howto/rivnut-tool.html Stated my case in the first sentence! I think this may be the solution for me! They look much better than whatever the hell was used on my Sierra. Cheers
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rhino85
Joined: Sun Nov 06, 2011 9:42 am Posts: 49 Location: Far North Coast NSW
Vehicle: 1985 sj50v SWB
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 Posted: Fri Dec 07, 2012 9:34 am |
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I also find the idea of fabricating the tool to suit me as well. Can you get the nutserts from a hardware store or just eBay?
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christover1

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Joined: Tue Jul 15, 2008 11:30 pm Posts: 8203 Location: Melbourne
Vehicle: Pajero 91 NH 3.0 SWB
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rhino85 wrote: I also find the idea of fabricating the tool to suit me as well. Can you get the nutserts from a hardware store or just eBay? I got mine from a nut n bolt shop. Bunnings didn't have any. Never tried anywhere else.
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Gwagensteve
Joined: Thu Feb 26, 2009 10:30 pm Posts: 13007 Location: Melbourne
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Any engineering supplies place or fastener supplier. They're around 20-30c each for 6mm from memory.
Steve.
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TheOtherLeft
Joined: Sun Aug 27, 2006 11:30 pm Posts: 818 Location: Sydney
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I used marine-grade Sikaflex, probably about 3" x 1" x 1/4" worth. I made sure I prepped the surfaces well beforehand. I've yanked on the snorkle pretty hard several times and there's no movement.
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laurie

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Joined: Fri Oct 31, 2008 10:30 pm Posts: 1540 Location: Blackbutt
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i used tek screws  near 2 years they are still there and no rust silicone on the threads and protec on the heads yes i have had a five or six tek screws come loose but i have about 90 + in and on the car as long as you glue and screw i find them effective and long lasting
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TheOtherLeft
Joined: Sun Aug 27, 2006 11:30 pm Posts: 818 Location: Sydney
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yelozuki
Joined: Tue Sep 18, 2012 6:31 pm Posts: 71
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Gwagensteve
Joined: Thu Feb 26, 2009 10:30 pm Posts: 13007 Location: Melbourne
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That would depend on the way the bracket was mounted to the snorkel. If, for instance, the snorkel was bolted to the bracket, then by all means the bracket could be riveted to the pillar. If, however, the bracket was welded to the snorkel, I wouldn't rivet it in place. Drilling out rivets is a pain and if that's the only way to remove the snorkel...
Steve.
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rhino85
Joined: Sun Nov 06, 2011 9:42 am Posts: 49 Location: Far North Coast NSW
Vehicle: 1985 sj50v SWB
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I'm not too thrilled about putting holes in the pillar at all but my uneducated thought would be that the nutserts would have larger surface area support from the inside than a normal rivet yea? I like the sound of the Sikaflex but it's hard to remove as well. Would soudals Fix All work? I have a couple tubes lying around and it's pretty awesome stuff as well. Can be applied to wet surfaces and even under water...
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TheOtherLeft
Joined: Sun Aug 27, 2006 11:30 pm Posts: 818 Location: Sydney
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rhino85 wrote: I'm not too thrilled about putting holes in the pillar at all but my uneducated thought would be that the nutserts would have larger surface area support from the inside than a normal rivet yea? I like the sound of the Sikaflex but it's hard to remove as well. Would soudals Fix All work? I have a couple tubes lying around and it's pretty awesome stuff as well. Can be applied to wet surfaces and even under water... I used Sika because I didn't want holes in my A pillar. Eucalyptus Oil removes Sika easily enough.
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DarkHorse

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Joined: Wed Apr 14, 2010 11:30 pm Posts: 5413
Vehicle: 08 SV650
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If you don't want holes in your pillar, have you got roof racks you could bracket to?
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rhino85
Joined: Sun Nov 06, 2011 9:42 am Posts: 49 Location: Far North Coast NSW
Vehicle: 1985 sj50v SWB
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That's a good idea, I've got some old roof racks, and was gonna use one at the front for some lights. I'll attach it to the roof rack and use Sikaflex for the pillar mountings! Thanks for the great ideas everyone!
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TheOtherLeft
Joined: Sun Aug 27, 2006 11:30 pm Posts: 818 Location: Sydney
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rhino85 wrote: That's a good idea, I've got some old roof racks, and was gonna use one at the front for some lights. I'll attach it to the roof rack and use Sikaflex for the pillar mountings! Thanks for the great ideas everyone! If you're going to Sikaflex make sure you prep/clean the surfaces really well.
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GeckoXL7

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Joined: Tue Sep 25, 2012 8:12 pm Posts: 1173 Location: VIC
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I had stainless steel tek screws then went to stainless metal screws, they all vibrate loose on corrugated roads, ended up pop riveting with silicon over them. Put a awning on and bolt it to the back of that 
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