[douglasgiersch]

Have been searching for laws regarding placement of lights and if a reversing light is required but cant finda any info, found a good deal of info regarding light placement on trailers but none for vehicles. Reason i need such info is i am making a bumper bar and need some lights for it and dont really like the stock suzuki ones. Will hopefully use Led round ones around the 100mm Dia mark.
I will include reverse light if required or not but have found a set of tail/brake and indicators with matching reverse light but reverse light is not ADR approved and others are. Would have to fail rego/roadworthy on a set of lights.
Any written info would be greatly appreciated/
Doug

[atari4x4]

there is a ADR regarding the minimum spacing requirement for lights, it's been posted on here previously, just had a quick search & i can't find it.

with the sierra being so narrow it's pretty much the stockish location from memory, as long as the lights are ADR approved for break & turn etc they're legal to use.

sorry boss

[atari4x4]

found it twas G-banger in this thread

Gwagensteve wrote:

Your build looks to be going very well, but I'm going to suggest reworking that rear bar. The position of those lights is WAY too close to the centre of the car.

From memory, turn signals have to be no more than 450mm from the widest part of the vehicle.

It's not worth building something that's so obviously contrary to the ADR's - it's inviting a cop to have a closer look at your car.

Steve.

viewtopic.php?f=4&t=34060&p=649029&hilit=ADR#p649029

[royce]

its possible to find the ADR's if you google hard enough, however I am fairly certain dimension wise trailers and cars are the same

you need a reverse light, maybe 2

[foolsp33d]

http://www.ntc.gov.au/filemedia/Reforms ... st2007.pdf


Part 8 Lights and reflectors
Division 9 Brake lights
62 Australian Vehicle Standards
Rules 1999
As amended
Division 9 Brake lights
98 Fitting brake lights
(1) A brake light must be fitted to the rear of a vehicle built after
1934.
(2) A pair of brake lights must be fitted to the rear of:
(a) a motor vehicle built after 1959 that has 4 or more wheels;
and
(b) a motor trike built after 1959 that has 2 rear wheels; and
(c) a trailer built after June 1973.
(3) The centre of a brake light must be:
(a) at least 350 millimetres above ground level; and
(b) not over:
(i) 1.5 metres above ground level; or
(ii) if it is not practicable to fit the light lower —
2.1 metres above ground level.
(4) A vehicle may be fitted with 1 or more additional brake lights.
(5) The centre of an additional brake light must be at least
350 millimetres above ground level.
(6) If only 1 brake light is fitted to a vehicle, it must be fitted in the
centre or to the right of the centre of the vehicle’s rear.
(7) Subrule (6) applies to a motor bike with an attached sidecar as
if the sidecar were not attached.
Lights and reflectors Part 8
Brake lights Division 9
Australian Vehicle Standards
Rules 1999
As amended
63
Location of brake lights on a vehicle
99 Performance and operation of brake lights
(1) When on, a brake light must show a red light visible 30 metres
from the rear of the vehicle.
(2) A brake light fitted to a street rod vehicle may incorporate a
blue lens not over 20 millimetres in diameter.
(3) A brake light fitted to a motor vehicle must come on, if it is not
already on, when:
(a) for a vehicle with 4 or more wheels or built after 1974 —
a service brake is applied; or
(b) for another vehicle — the rear wheel brake is applied.
(4) Subrule (3) does not apply if the controls in the vehicle that
start the engine are in a position that makes it impossible for
the engine to operate.
(5) A brake light on a trailer must come on when:
(a) the brake light of the towing vehicle comes on; or
(b) a brake control on the towing vehicle, which
independently activates the service brake on the trailer, is
operated.
(6) A brake light may be operated by an engine brake, retarder, or
similar device if the device does not interfere with the proper
operation of the brake light.
Part 8 Lights and reflectors
Division 9 Brake lights
64 Australian Vehicle Standards
Rules 1999
As amended
(7) A street rod vehicle is a vehicle that has been modified for safe
road use and that:
(a) has a body and frame that were built before 1949; or
(b) is a replica of a vehicle the body and frame of which were
built before 1949.
Lights and reflectors Part 8
Reversing lights Division 10
Australian Vehicle Standards
Rules 1999
As amended
65
Division 10 Reversing lights
100 Reversing lights
(1) One or more reversing lights may be fitted to the rear of a
vehicle and on each side towards the rear of the vehicle.
(2) A reversing light must have its centre not over 1.2 metres
above ground level.
(3) When on, a reversing light must show a white or yellow light
to the rear or to the side and rear of the vehicle.
Note Third edition ADRs only allow white reversing lights.
(4) A reversing light fitted to a motor vehicle must be wired so it
operates only when the vehicle is reversing or in reverse gear.
(5) A reversing light fitted to a trailer must be wired so it operates
only when a motor vehicle towing the trailer is reversing or in
reverse gear.
(6) A yellow reversing light may also operate as a direction
indicator light.
Part 8 Lights and reflectors
Division 11 Direction indicator lights
66 Australian Vehicle Standards
Rules 1999
As amended
Division 11 Direction indicator lights
101 Direction indicator lights on motor vehicles
(1) A motor vehicle with 4 or more wheels that was built after
August 1966 must have:
(a) a pair of direction indicator lights fitted on, or towards, its
front that face forwards; and
(b) a pair of direction indicator lights fitted on, or towards, its
rear that face backwards.
(2) A motor vehicle with less than 4 wheels that was built after
June 1975 must have:
(a) a pair of direction indicator lights fitted on, or towards, its
front that face forwards; and
(b) a pair of direction indicator lights fitted on, or towards, its
rear that face backwards.
(3) A motor vehicle that is not required to have direction indicator
lights may have:
(a) 1 or more pairs of direction indicator lights that are visible
from both the front and rear of the vehicle; or
(b) both:
(i) a pair of direction indicator lights fitted on, or
towards, its front that face forwards; and
(ii) a pair of direction indicator lights fitted on, or
towards, its rear that face backwards.

[whincup]

i take the "may be fitted" to mean that reverse lights are optional... i wouldnt not have them either way, but id assume non adr approved are fine since they're not compulsory based on that wording

[atari4x4]

a mates RHD complied 68 vette has no reverse lights & will light up both indicators for reverse lights & 1 will still flash if indicating.

[want33s]

atari4x4 wrote:

a mates RHD complied 68 vette has no reverse lights & will light up both indicators for reverse lights & 1 will still flash if indicating.

That is pretty standard for most cars built before about '76 or so.
My XA ute and XB coupe both use the indicators as reverse lights.