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31zook
Joined: Tue Mar 24, 2009 10:30 pm Posts: 9242 Location: maito
Vehicle: <3 Edna <3
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I was talking with someone recently and they recommended putting gasket goo (sealant) under the king pin to help keep the CV/Knuckle water tight. So upon rebuilding my front end I figured I'll give it a go. Now I have the dreaded Jimny death wobble, which I never had any experience with before. Before it was tight and direct on road. So I'm going to remove the goo.
So my question is, does anyone else out there do this when they put their kingpins together?
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Matthew
Joined: Mon Jun 15, 2009 11:30 pm Posts: 472 Location: S.E. Melbourne
Vehicle: SWB Sierra
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Can't comment on a jimny, but on a sierra, yes. The FSM states that it should be done.
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Mike57

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Joined: Fri Jul 22, 2011 11:09 am Posts: 1009 Location: Melbourne
Vehicle: Suzuki Jimny 2009
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 Posted: Mon Jul 29, 2013 1:21 pm |
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Same for the Jimny. I used old fachioned avaiation form a gasket but any sealant should do.
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mrw82

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Joined: Tue Jul 03, 2007 11:30 pm Posts: 1350 Location: stuck in a hole. not off road, just deception bay.
Vehicle: snotbox, 84 LWB sierra 1 litre
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Did you set the kingpin bearing preload correctly when installing the new bearings. Same shims with new bearings does not guarantee same amount of preload.
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rockcrawlerdude
Joined: Thu Apr 05, 2012 7:30 pm Posts: 298
Vehicle: 1985 LWB sierra
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would it matter to much if i didnt put the sticky stiff under the king pin?
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31zook
Joined: Tue Mar 24, 2009 10:30 pm Posts: 9242 Location: maito
Vehicle: <3 Edna <3
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 Posted: Mon Jul 29, 2013 2:41 pm |
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I have never used any and never had a drama.
Jimny's from the floor don't have enough preload in the king pins, so I don't run any shims at all. With it like this I have no wobble or shimmy.
But as soon as I add a smear of goo it must take the tiniest bit of tension out of it and I get the shakes.
The only shims I've seen avaliable for jimny's is ones that go under the king pin (sit flat on the bearing increasing weight, instead of lessening the weight and collecting the 4 bolts).
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Jezza86

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Joined: Tue Dec 06, 2011 9:30 am Posts: 2155 Location: Nhulunbuy 0880
Vehicle: 2010 jimny
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i did this yesterday too! i ended up with .4mm under and .5 mm over the right hand wheel (new bearings, old cradle, because i didn't have a puller tool and couldn't get the cradle out) still have to add shims to the passenger side to get rid of the last bits of wobble. its currently got 0.2mm under and .2mm over, going to take the .2 from the top and put it on the bottom, test drive and if i have to put a 0.5mm on the top. im going to seal them with the gasket goo, but only once the wobbles are sorted. at the moment i cnt see that harm as its dry season... as standard the have a super thin bead of a silicone like goo on them. that's all im putting on to seal it. major differences in instructions i found was the amount of grease it takes to re grease the hub. bigjimny instructions recommend 100mlhttp://www.bigjimny.com/store/index.php?_a=product&product_id=8, some boris dude says 2-300ml. http://www.jimny.se/kingpinbearings.html
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Jezza86

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Joined: Tue Dec 06, 2011 9:30 am Posts: 2155 Location: Nhulunbuy 0880
Vehicle: 2010 jimny
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monley

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Joined: Wed Nov 24, 2010 7:58 am Posts: 11092 Location: Mandurah.W.A.
Vehicle: 84 LWB NT
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I always used a sealant on my king pins when ever I pulled the front end of my jim apart. Never made any difference
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Jezza86

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Joined: Tue Dec 06, 2011 9:30 am Posts: 2155 Location: Nhulunbuy 0880
Vehicle: 2010 jimny
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still got heaps of water in there? mabie its to stop the grease escaping more than stopping the water (and mud) getting in there...
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SierraDan

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Joined: Fri Feb 04, 2011 10:55 pm Posts: 9348 Location: Newcastle
Vehicle: G13BB Jimny
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The grease wont get out of the kingpins anytime soon.
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joeblow
Joined: Sat May 10, 2008 11:30 pm Posts: 3273 Location: melbourne
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If there is any sign of water the top kingpin will dry out and corrode first.
With my Jimny build I'm machining some solid tapered bearings that will be heat treated. These will eliminate the pitting associated with roller type kingpin bearings and allow for a higher preload setting.
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SierraDan

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Joined: Fri Feb 04, 2011 10:55 pm Posts: 9348 Location: Newcastle
Vehicle: G13BB Jimny
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Like the toyota kit? 
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Jezza86

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Joined: Tue Dec 06, 2011 9:30 am Posts: 2155 Location: Nhulunbuy 0880
Vehicle: 2010 jimny
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i must admit i did sit on google for a half hour before i gave up on finding a 3030j made from titanium or something... is it something you might be making a batch of joe?
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joeblow
Joined: Sat May 10, 2008 11:30 pm Posts: 3273 Location: melbourne
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Hopefully. The CNC lathe is just about finished having its tart up. Once that is done programs will be written.
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sideways

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Joined: Fri Oct 29, 2010 1:53 pm Posts: 5936 Location: Northcliffe, W.A.
Vehicle: LJs, Sierra, Jimny, Swift.
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joeblow wrote: With my Jimny build I'm machining some solid tapered bearings that will be heat treated. These will eliminate the pitting associated with roller type kingpin bearings and allow for a higher preload setting. They will become a JML product wont they? 
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Jezza86

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Joined: Tue Dec 06, 2011 9:30 am Posts: 2155 Location: Nhulunbuy 0880
Vehicle: 2010 jimny
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ill take 8. i can do all the corrugation testing.
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SierraDan

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Joined: Fri Feb 04, 2011 10:55 pm Posts: 9348 Location: Newcastle
Vehicle: G13BB Jimny
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joeblow wrote: Hopefully. The CNC lathe is just about finished having its tart up. Once that is done programs will be written. SierraDan wrote: Like the toyota kit?
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