[jonno_racing]

So today I Finally plugged the power in! Everything worked flawlessly!
The cable is 10mtrs long.. winds up nice


Tent lighting


Cooking lights


So I took it for the first drive. Pretty dam good. The trailer needs a few 100kg more to soften it up a little but ideal.. can hardly tell its there at 110kph.




I'd happily say I'm pretty stoked with the outcome so far!

[jonno_racing]

So muffins first trip away is tomorrow. so i put my ass into gear today..

awning lights. they have Rc car battery plugs on the end's, there a High quality nice contact plug that wont fail.. will decide after this weekend if i need to have light down the pole also.


Water! i decided that 40ltrs of extra fuel was probably enough and having water on tap was going to be a good idea! i will need to sort out something to keep the mud out of the tap.. but that will come


Then i added this little clip.....


and found the only bottle in the house after a HUGE party a few weeks ago



Anyways i hope you guys have enjoyed my build i am pretty bloody happy with the outcome! hopefully i can sort out a set of CSA's for the trailer soon and get it properly setup for my huge trip in march but between now and then i have to set up my plates/cutlery and a mount for my waeco. was considering a slide setup but not sure how that will go.

[atari4x4]

what was the end weight of the trailer as is?

[jonno_racing]

530kg dry.

[zukenutter]

^^ Ouch

[Chop]

Thats come up well, but that is pretty heavy as a dry weight!

[atari4x4]

makes my 320kg seem featherweight... can you even legally tow it behind a jimny?

[zukenutter]

Funny looking at it, it doesn't look that heavy compared to mine but I guess the many small weight saving choices I made add up quite a bit. Must put mine on a weigh bridge again as it has gained a few kg with the fridge and Gerry holder, water tank and support legs.

[jonno_racing]

Id hardly say ouch. complete with kitchen, solid construction its lighter than any camper trailer i could find. Thats nice that your box trailer with a roof top tent is lighter gus, i dont particularly care. 750kg is the standard in tasmania. the tow bar is rated at 1000kg.
with the 1600 you can hardly tell its there. like quite literally.. up hill its only a small amount slower and averaged 14L/100km But i spent 4 hours wheeling round the bush exploring in that!
my trailer is also very strong and built to be wheeled though hard terrain and not fall apart (like it did all this weekend) TBH i don't think its heavy at all. i can wheel it round the yard on my own.

[atari4x4]

wait until it's loaded with the missus & kid + all the camping crap then get back to us about how it tows & what the economy is like. my bet is it's going to struggle as i know what mine is like with 100kw & a lot less weight.

[jonno_racing]

considering i JUST got home from a camping trip.. with all my boating stuff 5 peoples worth of camping gear/food etc i can tell u exactly what it was like.. i loaded up genki as i wanted to test it out. passed with flying colors. it will easly be withing 50kg of what i will be carrying on my mainland trip.

But sorry you have a s/h trailer with a roof top tent and a vitara. you must know everything about my camper trailer and my jimny.
oh and where we went on the weekend was Very hilly. so gave me a good indication. was a great weekend away..

[atari4x4]

bwhahahhaha, playing the tough guy now phil, i'm sure it's an absolute rocket ship with that g16b in there?

so your trailer coming in at 530kg's empty puts you over the GCM, you concerned about that? Gross Vehicle Mass for the jimny is 1420kgs and a curb weight of Kerb Weight 1035kgs, you're way over that empty... can't see how that's a good thing, add the missus, kid & all that crap & you're an accident waiting to happen, got trailer brakes seeing you're over the 350kg unbraked tow rating?

at least i didn't start off with a 2nd hand trailer & have to rebuild the whole thing.

[jonno_racing]

Seriously Gus? you wonder why your so fucking hated on here. do u need to go look at the thread from this week?????? go tread on a piece of leggo.

i had the jimny with trailer on the weigh bridge the other day and it was 1600kg with trailer. i am a bit over 100kg and i had some stuff in the car (2x 3rd members and a shitload of tools) .. so actually my trailer would be well under the 400 now i think of it..
750kg is the legal limit without breaks in tas. as i have already stated. AND i quizzed the transport guy about it when i got my rego done. he said it was fine to tow with the jimny

if i was concerned i would be acting on it. i am not. i did a bit over 300km on the weekend on and off road, and it performed flawlessly. Id rather take the word of a transport officer over a internet troll with a polishing fetish.
so please take your know it all Troll attitude and go fuck off, then when you get there fuck off some more. i am already over your know it all/nothing shit.

Oh

atari4x4 wrote:

at least i didn't start off with a 2nd hand trailer & have to rebuild the whole thing.

Nope you panted it and put a roof top tent on it, because lets face it, you don't have the skills or the ideas to build/fabricate anything yourself. Your just a fat lonely internet troll.

If i receive a ban for this post, that's ok, im pretty sure im not the only one sick of his shit.

[shep]

If you look in your owners manual it will state 350kg unbraked and 450kg braked, my model jimny is 350kg unbraked and 1300kg braked. The 750kg unbraked that the fella told you is the maximum Aussie wide for any car to tow. Ie my last landcruiser was legal to tow 3500kg however anything over 749kg and it had to have brakes.

This is the reason that I went to the expense of adding good brakes to my camper. You can almost guarantee that the weight of your trailer will never be a issue however in the small chance that it does become a issue get ready to lube up.

[atari4x4]

jonno_racing wrote:

atari4x4 wrote:

at least i didn't start off with a 2nd hand trailer & have to rebuild the whole thing.

Nope you panted it and put a roof top tent on it, because lets face it, you don't have the skills or the ideas to build/fabricate anything yourself. Your just a fat lonely internet troll..

not as fat as your missus & least i was wise enough to use a proper axle.

[jonno_racing]

LoL yet your the pussy who is threatening legal action agains someone who is trolling you??
You're a special kind of stupid. Hopefully he gives up trolling and comes punch you're stupid mouth!
Oh and anus I have a loving partner! She is fantastic! Love her to bits. Enjoy being forever alone.

Back on point.
No offense shep but this thread has been filled with miss information that has been proven to be wrong. So for now I will be relying on the information I received from the peoples who's job it is to know/enforce this stuff.

[shep]

jonno_racing wrote:

No offense shep but this thread has been filled with miss information that has been proven to be wrong. So for now I will be relying on the information I received from the peoples who's job it is to know/enforce this stuff.

No offence however one of the problems with smaller suzuki's having a small factory tow rating is that the average public servant has no idea what those ratings are however I can guarantee that every accident investigator and insurance assessor knows how to look it up and that is when you would need the lube. just have a look in a owners manual for your model as suzuki states what those limits are and no state authority can trump those limits without a engineer being involved.

[atari4x4]

on topic:
did it get registered as a box trailer or caravan?


off topic:
fuck which bit of being blackmailed did you fucking miss... when it's going to start effecting your job it stops becoming a game on the net. the fucktard had already hassled a heap of local guys after he got removed from a FB group, he did the manly thing of causing a heap of trouble at their places of employment... sorry if i took action to protect my job.

i knew pulling the legal card would play out the way it did... and to be honest i couldn't give a fuck what 92% of AZ think, you included. it's not a popularity contest. i got banned without even a reply to my pm. steve is just too predictable, any time the old lawyers get mentioned he clamps up tighter than a alter boy at a catholic school at the thought of the costs, all i can say it's handy having access to one of SA's top attorneys for free legal advice.

seeing you're the old master of being trolled, riddle me this... did you have wankers threaten your place of employment? oh that's right you were building a 4wd trailer queen on the dole & got trolled for it, guess i paid for richly to be built up, along with every other AZ'er who was paying taxes at the time.

waits for the bus to collect me.

[ball]

jonno_racing wrote:

750kg is the legal limit without breaks in tas. as i have already stated. AND i quizzed the transport guy about it when i got my rego done. he said it was fine to tow with the jimny

That is the legal limit FOR YOUR TRAILER not towing capacity of your vehicle. This is Australia wide not just in Tasmania.

Most transport inspectors are just like normal people but with their brains kicked in, so I personally wouldn't rely on their OPINION.

[jonno_racing]

Cool story bro! I paid for richy from doing jobs for people lol centerlink didn't even cover my rent.. that's because I have the ability to earn/skills to make a crust. Oh and friends.don't think you have any of them???? Just a sad fat looser who hides behind a keyboard. Great laugh at you saving your job... thanks for the giggles! Surely your boss knows who he employees? ? (See: worthless troll)? Nope no one has ever threatened my place of employment. I'm not stupid enough to push people that far or let tgem know where I work..
Yet again you'rejust a special kinda stupid

[atari4x4]

bit hard to stop an infatuated stalker who's followed me around like a bad smell for 7 years.

anyway back on topic, did you register it as a box trailer or a caravan?

[jonno_racing]

You would think that would teach you not yo troll people.

Home made box trailer.

Ball please refer to my post a few up. You're rant about axles turned out to be very unfounded.
I can't see me having any issues. It is my choice what I do. Lets just leave it at that.

[ball]

jonno_racing wrote:

You would think that would teach you not yo troll people.

Home made box trailer.

Ball please refer to my post a few up. You're rant about axles turned out to be very unfounded.
I can't see me having any issues. It is my choice what I do. Lets just leave it at that.

Your axle still isn't right.

If you are to stupid to understand what you are being told then I suppose no one can help you.

[royce]

I really hate some of you retards

Atari, just fuck off, you've made your bed, shat in it, blamed it on everyone else and had a cry when you didn't get new sheets, tough. Ask your attorney mate (you don't have one) which state you were sposed to make the complaint in, there isn't actually a way any of it could be made to stick being there is no crime committed nor money owing crossing 3 states, you need to lay off whatever you think you have.

Jonno, we've been over this a million times as well, stop going off half cocked, its why you get attacked all the time and this time around, you brought it all on yourself, somebody asked a question, somebody made a comment and you started having a tantrum then you decided not to believe people telling you the truth, if you cant handle comments, don't post your shit, its not a popularity contest.

[ball]

Here is "some" info. I can't be bothered trawling through government websites to find the exact pieces of legislation and design rules but this give a summary of what is in place. If I was you, I would do my own research and not rely on a transport inspector that probably wasn't smart enough to become a mechanic.

All the info you need is available online from official places, you just need to get off your ass and look for yourself. Don't take the easy way out and ask some transport muppet that really doesn't give a shit.



Australian National Towing Regulations



TOW WEIGHT

In December, 1998, agreement was reached by all State’s Ministers of Transport to implement national towing regulations. In essence, the national rules state that “A motor vehicle with a Gross Vehicle Mass (G.M.V.) not exceeding 4.5 tonnes must not, without the approval of an authority, tow a trailer with a mass (including any load) exceeding;

The capacity of the towing apparatus fitted to the vehicle, or

A relevant maximum trailer mass specified by the vehicle manufacturer.”



Put simply, the most you can tow is the amount specified by the vehicle manufacturer or the capacity of the towbar - WHICH EVER IS LEAST.



If you want to know how much your vehicle can tow, firstly check the owners manual or vehicle sales brochure for the manufacturer’s towing recommendations. Secondly make sure that the towing capacity is as least as much, if not more, than the mass of the trailer, including its load. If you are unsure how strong the towbar is, have a chat to a reputable towing equipment specialist.



In the case where a motor vehicle manufacturer has not specified a maximum towing mass, the limit is stated to be:

1.5 times the unladen or kerb mass of the motor vehicle if the trailer is fitted with brakes; or

The unloaded mass of the motor vehicle if the trailer is not fitted with brakes.



It should be noted, however, that the above will rarely apply as apart from using a truck, just about every vehicle that is likely to be used for towing a caravan, boat trailer, horsefloat or similar has a manufacturer’s towing recommendation.



Owners of 4WDs and light commercial vehicles should also be careful that they do not exceed the Gross Combined Mass (G.C.M.) of the vehicle. The GCM refers to the maximum vehicle plus its load, including a trailer, is permitted to weigh. It is possible that when a motor vehicle is loaded with, for example, five adults, their luggage and camping gear that the maximum allowable trailer mass has to be reduced so as to not exceed the GCM.



While this may sound a little confusing, it is important that this is considered so as to not void the warranty or insurance.







SPEED LIMIT



Since December 1998 all trailers can be towed at the speed limit for that particular road with the exception of Western Australia.



You should remember that in some cases motor vehicle manufacturers place speed restrictions on a vehicle when towing over a certain mass. Ford only permits 100km/h if the load is less than 1200 kg. At 1600 kg this drops to 90km/h. The speed further reduces until at 2300 kg, 80km/h is the maximum. Holden takes a similar approach but also ties the vehicle speed to the type of towing equipment fitted. Spending a few minutes reading the trailer towing section in the owners manual is highly recommended.



In 1989 Australian Design Rules (ADRs) were introduced which affect the construction and towing of trailers, including caravans. Currently there are no towing regulations which specifically refer to ‘caravans’. The ADRs include the requirement for plates on trailer drawbars which amongst other information states the aggregate, or maximum, mass of the trailer and data on the towbar which indicates the rating of that towbar. It should be noted that ADR 62 states that the rated capacity of the towbar …. “shall not exceed the vehicle manufacturer’s recommendations”. Below is a summary of the rules relating to towing weights which should assist in the selection of towing equipment and/or caravan and the towing speeds applicable to various states.



While there are some variations in the Road Traffic Regulations in different States, most agree on the following safety aspects:



The trailer must not be bigger or heavier than the driver can safely control,



The total or laden mass of the trailer must not be more than:

- the maximum mass (A.T.M.) determined by the trailer manufacturer and as stated on the trailer plate,

- the load rating of the trailer’s coupling of the towbar fitted to the towing vehicle,

- the total load rating of all the trailer’s tyres.



The combination of tow vehicle and trailer must be “properly set up”. This means that there is a load of about 10% of the total trailer mass on the towbar and that the outfit has a level attitude. Generally this necessitates the use of a load distributing device.



Exceeding the maximum towing load as recommended by the towing vehicle manufacturer can:

* Invalidate warranty

* Nulify insurance, and

* Effect long term vehicle safety and reliability.



The new towing regulations allow the owner of a 4WD, ute or car to tow a trailer weighing up to the vehicle maker's recommended maximum.



Unbraked trailers with an all-up weight under 750kg are approved under the new uniform law, but trailers weighing more then 750 kg must be fitted with brakes.



The changes are a result of uniform vehicle standards proposed by the National Road Transport Commission and approved by Federal Parliament.



The only exception to this is in Western Australia where the maximum speed limit is 100km/h for vehicles towing a trailer with an ATM of over 750kgs. reference





A FEW DEFINITIONS

ATM (Aggregate Trailer Mass)
The total laden weight of a trailer, which includes the tow ball mass and whatever you add as payload (eg. water, gas, luggage). The ATM is specified by the trailer manufacturer and must not be exceeded.

GCM (Gross Combination Mass)
The maximum laden mass of a motor vehicle plus the maximum laden weight of any trailer it can tow. The GCM is specified by the vehicle manufacturer.

GTM (Gross Trailer Mass)
The total permissible mass which includes whatever you add as payload (eg. water, gas and luggage) that can be supported by the wheels of a trailer. This does not include the mass supported by the tow ball. The GTM is specified by the manufacturer and must not be exceeded.

Tare Mass
The unladen weight of the trailer.

Tow Ball Mass
The weight imposed on the rear of the tow vehicle's tow ball from the coupling of a trailer or caravan.

Payload
Payload is specified by the manufacturer. It must not be exceeded under any circumstances. Safety, insurance & warranty may be affected if the specified payload is exceeded.



REFERENCES

National Transport Commission http://ntc.gov.au/ViewPage.aspx?page=A02304408400300020



http://www.campertrailers.org/towing_regulations.htm

[ball]

here is the SA version

http://www.transport.sa.gov.au/pdfs/per ... _less_.pdf

[ball]

nrma states 550kg max towing for the jimny (this must be unbraked)

don't know if that's the same model as yours but they will all be around the same

http://www.mynrma.com.au/motoring/revie ... jlx-99.htm

[shep]

ball wrote:

nrma states 550kg max towing for the jimny (this must be unbraked)

don't know if that's the same model as yours but they will all be around the same

http://www.mynrma.com.au/motoring/revie ... jlx-99.htm

That's the max with brakes abs models are 1100kg up to the current model which is 1300kg. I am sure max unbraked is 350kg however I couldn't be bothered reading my owners manual as both of my trailers have brakes.

I can stick another 300kg in the boat and still be legal

[Jameszook]

my fmates prado can tow 2500 braked

[Jezza86]

jonno_racing wrote:

Then i added this little clip.....


and found the only bottle in the house after a HUGE party a few weeks ago

holey shit. i am so stealing this!
finished product looks great!