Joined: Tue May 14, 2013 9:40 am Posts: 436
Vehicle: Suzuki Grand Vitara
Posted: Wed Nov 20, 2013 5:23 pm
royce wrote:
I really hate some of you retards
Atari, just fuck off, you've made your bed, shat in it, blamed it on everyone else and had a cry when you didn't get new sheets, tough. Ask your attorney mate (you don't have one) which state you were sposed to make the complaint in, there isn't actually a way any of it could be made to stick being there is no crime committed nor money owing crossing 3 states, you need to lay off whatever you think you have.
Jonno, we've been over this a million times as well, stop going off half cocked, its why you get attacked all the time and this time around, you brought it all on yourself, somebody asked a question, somebody made a comment and you started having a tantrum then you decided not to believe people telling you the truth, if you cant handle comments, don't post your shit, its not a popularity contest.
mint trailer. LOL at the butthurt in this thread, will be stealing some ideas. well done.
lol yeah internet forums get like that...can i assume gus got a ride on the ban buss?
Cheers.. i spose i should upload the pics from the weekend? Managed to get the jimny and trailer well bogged..amazing what a double line pull and a 4500lb winch will do! took some time but got him out no stress.
May need mud flaps on the jimny and something to cover my tap up lol
Trailer performed perfectly! was ideal.. need to add a rubish bag hook and just get the draws in the tailgate organised and set up a bit better!
man cant ever get over the attitudes on this site seems like every thread i look into there is someone who feels like their thunder is being stolen or something.
trailer seems to have come out well, I have been thinking about a small trailer for my dirtbike and a few other things so dirt biking is as easy as hitching a trailer and going.
As far as I am aware the ratings for things depend on a few different things. I know the differences in suzukis ratings are almost entirely based around having abs. The second part comes from your tow bar itself. My car has a sticker on the inside of the door, haymans reece blah blah blah rated for blah blah braked blah blah unbraked. I think if you were in an accident the trailer wouldn't be weighed. If it was visually small the assessor would move onto the next component of the accident. Contrary to popular belief they dont investigate that hard. I would be more fearful towing a big trailer that was light than a small trailer that was heavy.
For instance say you crashed because of someone else who was at fault and you had your trailer. Almost guaranteed that their insurance would pay no questions asked. If you crashed into someone and you were at fault, your insurance would pay and you would foot the excess. The fact that you had a trailer wouldn't really be brought into question.
If you killed someone like a pedestrian crossing a zebra crossing, the trailer would probably be weighed but if its under at least one figure, like your tow bar manufacturors ratings, or your vehicles rating, or the national unbraked maximum, then you can claim sufficient deniability.
People need to chill out on the legal side of things. If you have legal issues from an accident chances are you have bigger things to worry about than if your car was legal. Like getting your anus penetrated.
Joined: Sun Feb 08, 2009 10:30 pm Posts: 9045 Location: Brisneyland
Vehicle: 2006 Jimny JLX
Posted: Wed Dec 18, 2013 8:46 am
You need to understand that certain users and ex-users don't/didn't get on well and like to stir each other's pots.
Things have settled lately though
There's only so much weight that a Jimny will be happy to pull unless you only plan on flat roads. 2nd gear up a long hill in a 100km/h zone is not fun. Just saying.
yeah that goes without saying, i cant see myself towing anything more than a half an hour trip somewhere and only once i go 1.8. No reason other than its just too much strain on the car. I think a little 400ish kg trailer would go pretty well though.
My 2.7 hilux workmate makes towing my single axle car trailer a seem like a joke, combo probably weighs 1200kg, motor doesnt make that much power or torque but it just doesnt seem to phase it for some reason. I would think a 1.8 and a 600kg trailer would be similar?
Joined: Sun Feb 08, 2009 10:30 pm Posts: 9045 Location: Brisneyland
Vehicle: 2006 Jimny JLX
Posted: Wed Dec 18, 2013 9:07 pm
driftke70 wrote:
I would think a 1.8 and a 600kg trailer would be similar?
In my opinion 600 will be quite noticeable. Zuke torque is produced high in the rev range, and when it kicks in it's not a lot. Don't get me wrong it'll pull it but it'll be working hard. Tyre sizes of course will affect towing too.
Joined: Sun Jun 11, 2006 11:30 pm Posts: 17216 Location: Pluto
Posted: Thu Dec 19, 2013 6:01 pm
driftke70 wrote:
man cant ever get over the attitudes on this site seems like every thread i look into there is someone who feels like their thunder is being stolen or something.
trailer seems to have come out well, I have been thinking about a small trailer for my dirtbike and a few other things so dirt biking is as easy as hitching a trailer and going.
As far as I am aware the ratings for things depend on a few different things. I know the differences in suzukis ratings are almost entirely based around having abs. The second part comes from your tow bar itself. My car has a sticker on the inside of the door, haymans reece blah blah blah rated for blah blah braked blah blah unbraked. I think if you were in an accident the trailer wouldn't be weighed. If it was visually small the assessor would move onto the next component of the accident. Contrary to popular belief they dont investigate that hard. I would be more fearful towing a big trailer that was light than a small trailer that was heavy.
For instance say you crashed because of someone else who was at fault and you had your trailer. Almost guaranteed that their insurance would pay no questions asked. If you crashed into someone and you were at fault, your insurance would pay and you would foot the excess. The fact that you had a trailer wouldn't really be brought into question.
If you killed someone like a pedestrian crossing a zebra crossing, the trailer would probably be weighed but if its under at least one figure, like your tow bar manufacturors ratings, or your vehicles rating, or the national unbraked maximum, then you can claim sufficient deniability.
People need to chill out on the legal side of things. If you have legal issues from an accident chances are you have bigger things to worry about than if your car was legal. Like getting your anus penetrated.
It comes from posts like yours, totally made up in your head with no basis in fact at all, which then gets spread as gospel cause somebody else read it and liked your username and all of a sudden somebody is in big trouble because of it.
You can bet your bottom dollar if you crash with a trailer that's too heavy and its deemed you couldn't stop in time from it you'll be in trouble, you can bet if your trailer isn't up to spec and it shakes you off the highway and into the bush you'll have problems.
The tow rating for your car is based on what the company with the smart people that made your car say it is, doesnt matter if the towbar is rated to 1200kg, if the manufacturer says 500kg, you can tow 500kg. Likewise just cause you feel it can pull the weight doesn't make it safe, the fact that you think that's all that matters is reason enough to have ratings, you obviously don't get it
To give an example where load ratings and load limits are confused: In my old job, we used to decommission our crane lifting straps after 12 months (I think) based on nothing more than a rating given by some smart guys that engineered them and combined with OneSteel's rather rigourous best practice policies for the load handling this was absolutely required. After a while we actually had to start cutting them into shreds before disposing of them because it turns out that the local Dodgy Brothers were taking the discarded 4tn lifting straps and using them to lift 10-20 tonne. Their reasoning? "Oh we've always done it. They are rated to 4tn but we know they can lift a lot more."
Needless to say they eventually had an accident that thankfully didn't result in any deaths, but just because something CAN do something doesn't mean it always will. With regards to towing, I now prefer to err on the caution having seen two cars get steered off the road and roll after losing steering going downhill with a load in tow that was way out of the rated specs for their vehicle.
I am saying tow a safe amount but dont get caught up in the numbers of it all. For instance, suzuki says 500kg, but over 1000kg with abs being the only difference. Do you genuinely believe that abs is going to stop your trailer from swaying and taking you off the highway?
I even said I would only ever tow a small trailer short distances.
"its people like you" who jump up and down and love making nothing into something.
Heres good example from my old stomping grounds about why trailers and vehicles have design limits,
Back in the '80's a local bloke used to cart his bobcat around on a car trailer behind his HQ ute.
Had done it for years, "she'll be right mate- the ute can take it"
As far as I was concerned - you didnt tow anything that weighed more than your towing vehicle- and had the appropriate type of brakes on the trailer for the weight towed.
At the time it was something like [memory hazy on this] up to 1 tonne of loaded trailer = no brakes required, up to 1.5 tonnes = over-ride brakes [cable or hydraulic] over 1.5 tonnes = power assisted brakes.
Anyhow- old mate had towed his bobcat all over the countryside for years and got away with it- until he was driving down a long stretch of downhill, south of Bindoon - in the rain.
Another local didnt see him due to a decent dip in the road hiding the HQ and trailer [same dip killed 3 people a few years later] and pulled out of a sidetrack, HQ hit the brakes and jack-knifed, The trailer tore the towbar off the ute and kept on going down the highway and bounced off an oncoming car.
Cant remember off hand the details of killed/ injured. but it was messy-very messy.
Trailer was overloaded, Loaded trailer was too heavy for the Ute, Brakes on the trailer couldnt cope with the load, Tow bar and hitch were cocky built,
But- it had worked for the bloke for years........until the odds caught up.
Most of the rules, regulations and procedures that a lot of us tend to ignore or think they can be fudged a bit- are written in blood. They are there because some muppet won the Darwin award and bled out all over the place.
You might think your trailer + vehicle combination is fine - but the coroner might well disagree.
You might think your trailer + vehicle combination is fine - but the coroner might well disagree.
This is the magic bit. From what I have been told by people that have had to front a coroner to give a please explain, you are guilty until you prove your innocence, not the other way around.
Joined: Sun Jun 11, 2006 11:30 pm Posts: 17216 Location: Pluto
Posted: Fri Dec 20, 2013 6:20 am
driftke70 wrote:
you are misreading what i am saying,
I am saying tow a safe amount but dont get caught up in the numbers of it all. For instance, suzuki says 500kg, but over 1000kg with abs being the only difference. Do you genuinely believe that abs is going to stop your trailer from swaying and taking you off the highway?
I even said I would only ever tow a small trailer short distances.
"its people like you" who jump up and down and love making nothing into something.
Yes, Suzuki say. What makes you more qualified to say its more? Why would Suzuki rate it lower than it can handle if it can handle more? That would just hurt sales. How do you know its 'just ABS' do you have a change log from Suzuki for the new model? Maybe now the axles are designed to handle more weight.
You've proven my point, you've made a decision based on the info you have, but you have assumed that's all the info related to this decision when you have no idea if it is or not so there could be something you are missing completely that makes a huge difference and that's dangerous in general not just to this topic, that's why people like me jump up and down.
Heres a great example of why opinions on the internet are dangerous. http://www.suzuki-forums.com/suzuki-jim ... ailer.html Old mate asked a question, got given answers by people that are wrong and even not in Australia (cept Rhinoman who of course gave the correct answer) decided based on that he is good to go when he isnt.
The whole point of a forum is to help others and distribute correct info so others might learn, there is no place for opinions that arent based on the full story.
Never said more was acceptable. Stop putting words in my mouth, you are having an argument with yourself.
Next time I hook up a trailer and the weigh bridge says 501kg im going to go home and take it off ASAP before my d10 comes off the trailer and takes out a school bus of children belonging to lawyers and the coroners daughter.
Better off spending the time correctly positioning loads in your trailer and checking your vehicle before you leave than having the mentality "499kg everything is going to be apples because the paperwork is the only thing that concerns me"
Better off spending the time correctly positioning loads in your trailer and checking your vehicle before you leave than having the mentality "499kg everything is going to be apples because the paperwork is the only thing that concerns me"
Proper weight distribution and loading are one thing- and damn good practice [wish there was more of it around]
But, all we are advising is that you have a good read of the handbook that comes with your car- and go by what the Suzuki factory engineers and lawyers spent a fortune in designing, testing and compliancing your vehicle for, as well as the Australian Design Rules, and your states Transport Department dictate as being the safe maximum for your vehicle.
Those A.D.R 's, state regulations and factory limits are there to protect your arse- but if you dont want to protect it- expect it to be reamed if things go pear shaped.
Head over to the You Tube thread for a good example of a nice drive going pearshaped.
The driver apparently claims oil on the road.
I suspect more likely driver not looking far enough ahead or paying attention- or driving to conditions- probably being made worse by trying to panic stop on the wet [or oily] road.
Having a caravan behind certainly didnt help.
stephen
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I'm heading away for new years, 5 day's camping A few little things I had to do.. A rubish hook An set up the drawbar for holding stuff. .
So a quick trip to bunnings and I had a rubish hook.. People who love internet memes will know the "drunk octopus wants to fight" Well...
I also cut 4x holes in the side off the drawbar step. This lets me attach "stuff" I have a 15ltr water jerry and a100ltr storage bin also. This lets me easily change the toung weight depending on what I'm carrying. Will grab a pic of that when I'm all packed!
Joined: Fri May 13, 2011 1:56 am Posts: 2326
Vehicle: Suzuki Jimny 2010
Posted: Sun Jan 05, 2014 6:33 pm
I'm not here to add fuel to the fire, however....
This is the sticker from my genuine suzuki tow bar, clearly stating the maximum unbraked at 350kg. The only difference between this sticker and the user manual for the car is in the sticker showing 1300 braked and the manual saying 1100. Mine is obviously a new model than yours Phil, and if my memory serves me correct, the braked weight is slightly lower again on your model.
This is the sticker from my genuine suzuki tow bar, clearly stating the maximum unbraked at 350kg. The only difference between this sticker and the user manual for the car is in the sticker showing 1300 braked and the manual saying 1100. Mine is obviously a new model than yours Phil, and if my memory serves me correct, the braked weight is slightly lower again on your model.
Either way, cool trailer dude
There you have it- and its easy fixed.
Call your transport department, ask them what type of brakes you need on your zook to comply with the 1300kg [or whatever] your zook is certified for.
If you are lucky, you can get away with hooking on a set of electrics and all is good. [and it can be handy off road with electric trailer brakes being in-cab adjustable]
Over-ride cable brakes are probably more reliable and submersion capable - but best bet is hit up Ball for tech. info as he spends a lot of time working with this stuff.
If you are lucky, you can get away with hooking on a set of electrics and all is good. [and it can be handy off road with electric trailer brakes being in-cab adjustable] stephen
These are priceless in the jeep towing the old mans trailer.... Hit a wet/gravel road, you can dial them back so the trailer doesnt lock up and overtake you. Go down a grippy descent and you can feel the trailer slow you down. Also helps when your towing it loaded or not.
Had a few cans before that post Joel? i have had the same job for about 6 months now. no huge achievement but better than no job! btw no one has there life on track. well no one i know.
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