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Mullett86
Joined: Tue Dec 01, 2015 10:01 pm Posts: 34
Vehicle: 2001 Grand Vitara
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I'm in the process of designing and building an offroad buggy, around 600kg or so. I come from a bitumen motorsport background, so most of what I know probably isn't very applicable. It's not going to be a serious flex vehicle, more a high-speed trail chaser, so heat control etc is somewhat important.
What I'm looking for is some coilovers around the following specs:
300mm travel Ability to take dual-rate coils Adjustable on bounce at least, and bounce+rebound would be great.
There's the obvious options (like Fox shocks), but they're quite pricey. Maybe still worth it, but if anyone has feedback/experience/recommendations...I'm all ears!
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SierraDan

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Joined: Fri Feb 04, 2011 10:55 pm Posts: 9348 Location: Newcastle
Vehicle: G13BB Jimny
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Profender are much cheaper. You can even occasionally get FOA shocks for a steal.
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vet 180
Joined: Mon May 05, 2014 11:50 am Posts: 1246
Vehicle: Vitara 1994
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 Posted: Sun Jan 10, 2016 8:20 pm |
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Check out radflow they might suit your needs
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Mullett86
Joined: Tue Dec 01, 2015 10:01 pm Posts: 34
Vehicle: 2001 Grand Vitara
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 Posted: Sun Jan 10, 2016 10:02 pm |
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Thanks guys, all great suggestions. Any leads on good suppliers?
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got_bar_work
Joined: Sat May 15, 2010 8:30 pm Posts: 2214 Location: Brisbane
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Dank on here sells radflo Profender u will need to superior engineering .they are a pita to get custom shocks from. They want u to find one that fits ur needs (eg like a patrol rear or something like that then)theywill charge u another $100 to revalve it.
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Zook_Fan

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Joined: Thu Mar 13, 2008 10:30 pm Posts: 4530 Location: Toowoomba
Vehicle: Maruti and LJ80's
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If you are looking to go fast your best options would either be Fox or King. Purely for aftermarket support, the parts are available everywhere and there is a lot of information readily available to tune them. Either of these are adjustable but you will need to disassemble them to do so.
For such a light buggy you shouldn't need any greater than a single 2.0 shock on each corner depending on duration of use. At 600kg I'd be guessing a motorcycle engine'd buggy?
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Mullett86
Joined: Tue Dec 01, 2015 10:01 pm Posts: 34
Vehicle: 2001 Grand Vitara
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 Posted: Mon Jan 11, 2016 2:49 pm |
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Maybe true...it also looks like they're not much more expensive than the options listed above, even after you take the exchange rate into account.
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Gwagensteve
Joined: Thu Feb 26, 2009 10:30 pm Posts: 13007 Location: Melbourne
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I'd actually be worried that with such a low weight (and I assume corresponding low unsprung weight the inertia and seal friction of 2" coil overs might be detrimental to vehicle performance.
It's a reason pushrod suspension is popular for very light vehicles.
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tanshi

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Joined: Tue Jan 09, 2007 10:30 pm Posts: 7717 Location: Brisbane
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id be looking at the shocks they run on polaris. kings and fox are run on them regularly and they don't have an issue
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Gwagensteve
Joined: Thu Feb 26, 2009 10:30 pm Posts: 13007 Location: Melbourne
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Oooooooh yes they do. Polaris' melt shocks. The guys from fox/King have never seen shocks as heat damaged as shocks that come off golf buggies.
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vet 180
Joined: Mon May 05, 2014 11:50 am Posts: 1246
Vehicle: Vitara 1994
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For such a light vehicle airshocks might work out ok
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Zook_Fan

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Joined: Thu Mar 13, 2008 10:30 pm Posts: 4530 Location: Toowoomba
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You might be better off giving us a bit more of an idea of the vehicle you are proposing. When you say a 600kg offroad buggy that is a high-speed trail chaser I assume it is 2wd? More than likely independent front and rear? Gwagensteve wrote: I'd actually be worried that with such a low weight (and I assume corresponding low unsprung weight) the inertia and seal friction of 2" coil overs might be detrimental to vehicle performance.
It's a reason pushrod suspension is popular for very light vehicles. I agree but my assumption was that he would be designing for a motion ratio of higher than 1, essentially the same as the mechanical advantage given from a pushrod suspension system. vet 180 wrote: For such a light vehicle airshocks might work out ok Airshocks will work to suspend the vehicle but tuning for this application would be difficult. ADS shocks still have a bypass airshock that could be used but it would greatly depend on your intended usage. If you are racing/travelling long distance the ride will change as the shock heats up due to the oil viscosity change.
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G1316B

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Joined: Mon Jan 18, 2016 10:42 pm Posts: 3
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I was going to do coils then went coilovers. No Regrets.
Last edited by G1316B on Thu Feb 25, 2016 11:13 am, edited 1 time in total.
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Gwagensteve
Joined: Thu Feb 26, 2009 10:30 pm Posts: 13007 Location: Melbourne
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That would be very expensive and involve lots of fabrication, and in the end, you'd still be left with the inherent problems of coil Sierra geometry- low rear roll stiffness (the springs will be inside the chassis regardless of whether they're coil overs or not) high front roll stiffness due to the radius arms. You can't tune that out with coil overs.
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