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steak_knife

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Joined: Fri May 22, 2009 11:30 pm Posts: 21335 Location: Smart Ass Island
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 Posted: Thu Oct 01, 2009 2:16 am |
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You fitted a locker to didn`t you? Is it possible that the c`clip isn`t locking into the diff at all?
Once the bush is made (bruce`s) i`ll pull my diff out & f*#k around with the bush to make sure it lock`s in, then give the modified 1 to bruce to mas produce..
Let ya`s all know..
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Polar_Bear
Joined: Sat Aug 12, 2006 11:30 pm Posts: 2511 Location: Adelaide SA
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that CAD file is not what you want to make the nylon bush up to... if you're gonna make one up yourselves, you'll have to work out your own sizes, what i was questioning was how effective does the nylon bush support the cv, or would a propper bearing, and machined holder, be more successful, this is also what calmini have put in their anvil housing.
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Stuey

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Joined: Sat Feb 02, 2008 10:30 pm Posts: 621 Location: Perth, WA
Vehicle: 97 SV420/627 SWB Vitara
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Yeah, I've a locker up front. But surely ARB engineered the lockers to accommodate the circlip!? What else holds the shafts in? The circlip locks into the side gears correct? Do these get swapped out when a locker is installed?
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steak_knife

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Joined: Fri May 22, 2009 11:30 pm Posts: 21335 Location: Smart Ass Island
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 Posted: Thu Oct 01, 2009 2:26 am |
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steknig wrote: Polar_Bear wrote: Saam wrote: what problems does the play cause ?[/quote
It can allow the cv to move around slightly as it is only retained by the splines that go into the side gears of the diff, which is only a real problem under extreme load. Aparently it has also lead to excessive seal wear on gv's that don't have free wheeling hubs fitted. True, but if the play is there, let`s get rid of it, I think a bearing is overkill. This bush will do the job nicely.. 
That`s my thinking, it`s only a slight wobble, just enough to let oil out, then the diff run`s dry & bang, I`ve seen it a couple of time`s, thay didn`t have freewheel hub`s tho..
I`m doing it as a precaution only, & so others can get the bush cheap.....
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Stuey

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Joined: Sat Feb 02, 2008 10:30 pm Posts: 621 Location: Perth, WA
Vehicle: 97 SV420/627 SWB Vitara
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 Posted: Thu Oct 01, 2009 2:33 am |
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Polar_Bear wrote: that CAD file is not what you want to make the nylon bush up to... if you're gonna make one up yourselves, you'll have to work out your own sizes, what i was questioning was how effective does the nylon bush support the cv, or would a propper bearing, and machined holder, be more successful, this is also what calmini have put in their anvil housing.
I got the impression the bearing was integrated into the Calmini Anvil Housing due to the design running a short stab axle so both LHS and RHS driveshafts were the same and removed the need to carry multiple spares. Given the Calmini Anvil is designed for the 1.6 early vits (which have either Auto or free hubs) I wouldn't have thought the shaft wear was an issue? Just thinking out loud here.....
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Mugwui
Joined: Tue Nov 04, 2008 10:30 pm Posts: 1241 Location: Antarctica!
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 Posted: Thu Oct 01, 2009 2:33 am |
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Although mine has a body lift and suspension lift, the diff and cv's are stock and mine leaks like all buggery. I have to top it up every time I drive it. Keen to make it stop.
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steak_knife

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Joined: Fri May 22, 2009 11:30 pm Posts: 21335 Location: Smart Ass Island
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 Posted: Thu Oct 01, 2009 2:44 am |
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Mugwui wrote: Although mine has a body lift and suspension lift, the diff and cv's are stock and mine leaks like all buggery. I have to top it up every time I drive it. Keen to make it stop.
5.12 & locker, replace seal at the same time, put in bruce`s new bush..
All fixed.
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Mugwui
Joined: Tue Nov 04, 2008 10:30 pm Posts: 1241 Location: Antarctica!
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Done and done.....
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Polar_Bear
Joined: Sat Aug 12, 2006 11:30 pm Posts: 2511 Location: Adelaide SA
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 Posted: Thu Oct 01, 2009 2:51 am |
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Stuey wrote: Polar_Bear wrote: that CAD file is not what you want to make the nylon bush up to... if you're gonna make one up yourselves, you'll have to work out your own sizes, what i was questioning was how effective does the nylon bush support the cv, or would a propper bearing, and machined holder, be more successful, this is also what calmini have put in their anvil housing. I got the impression the bearing was integrated into the Calmini Anvil Housing due to the design running a short stab axle so both LHS and RHS driveshafts were the same and removed the need to carry multiple spares. Given the Calmini Anvil is designed for the 1.6 early vits (which have either Auto or free hubs) I wouldn't have thought the shaft wear was an issue? Just thinking out loud here.....
running a short stub axle which the cv bolts to would be the the same as running the standard cv imho. I dont want it for seal wear, which is what i think the nylon bush was designed for as most of the time my hubs will be unlocked. i wanted to reduce the possibility of the inner cv moving around under load 
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steak_knife

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Joined: Fri May 22, 2009 11:30 pm Posts: 21335 Location: Smart Ass Island
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 Posted: Thu Oct 01, 2009 2:58 am |
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Same thing mate, cv move`s wearing (or damaging) seal, seal leak`s causing diff to blow up. Stop cv moving & seal don`t wear.
The bush will work.
Suzuki wouldn`t sell it as a fix other wise
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shabz

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Joined: Sun May 03, 2009 11:30 pm Posts: 646 Location: Melbourne
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Sounds interesting....
Mine isn't leaking but i can feel some play in the shaft
I'd be interested in getting one of these seals too! better to have it in there and avoid problems later. 
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RIKSTR

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Joined: Sun Apr 26, 2009 11:30 pm Posts: 1278 Location: Canberra
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Polar_Bear wrote: As there are a few of us building up tougher vitaras, and mines currently under construction, ive been thinking about a few mods to the front end to increase its strength. Most of us now have swapped over to a steel gv housing and carrier, and fitted an ARB air locker. next on the list to give up would be the cv's.
Polar was originally taking about making the whole front end stronger, not stopping it from leaking.
I think that making a short axle like the one that fits in an Anvil is a good solution to both problems. I am about to start playing around with this idea but from what I have read, there is not enough room with a passengers side CV and an axel, the Anvil is a different size to accomodate this.
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steak_knife

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Joined: Fri May 22, 2009 11:30 pm Posts: 21335 Location: Smart Ass Island
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 Posted: Fri Oct 02, 2009 12:17 am |
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Bush in my possession!
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Mugwui
Joined: Tue Nov 04, 2008 10:30 pm Posts: 1241 Location: Antarctica!
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 Posted: Sun Oct 04, 2009 12:51 am |
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steknig wrote: Bush in my possession!
Hey Steknig, any progress on this one?
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ODA1
Joined: Mon Jan 08, 2007 10:30 pm Posts: 1414
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 Posted: Sun Oct 04, 2009 1:05 am |
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steknig wrote: Bush in my possession!
did you pick up????? 
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Mugwui
Joined: Tue Nov 04, 2008 10:30 pm Posts: 1241 Location: Antarctica!
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 Posted: Sun Oct 04, 2009 1:29 am |
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ODA1 wrote: steknig wrote: Bush in my possession! did you pick up????? 
Who do you mean, Steve or me?
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steak_knife

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Joined: Fri May 22, 2009 11:30 pm Posts: 21335 Location: Smart Ass Island
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 Posted: Sun Oct 04, 2009 3:18 am |
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Mugwui wrote: steknig wrote: Bush in my possession! Hey Steknig, any progress on this one?
Yes mate, because polyurethane shrink`s when setting, we have had to have a mold made up, Tim is paying for the mold to be made so he will own it, Should be mid next week when we get them........
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steak_knife

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Joined: Fri May 22, 2009 11:30 pm Posts: 21335 Location: Smart Ass Island
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 Posted: Sun Oct 04, 2009 3:20 am |
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Mugwui wrote: ODA1 wrote: steknig wrote: Bush in my possession! did you pick up?????  Who do you mean, Steve or me?
T`was me, wrong kinda bush tho 
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Mugwui
Joined: Tue Nov 04, 2008 10:30 pm Posts: 1241 Location: Antarctica!
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Shweet!
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Bruce

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Joined: Sun Jun 11, 2006 11:30 pm Posts: 4003 Location: Brisbane
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 Posted: Sun Oct 04, 2009 10:24 am |
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steknig wrote: Mugwui wrote: steknig wrote: Bush in my possession! Hey Steknig, any progress on this one? Yes mate, because polyurethane shrink`s when setting, we have had to have a mold made up, Tim is paying for the mold to be made so he will own it, Should be mid next week when we get them........
Gee talk about push
Mould may take at least a week to machine up at best. Then make a part (quick) so mid next week will be way out of the question. Maybe by the following mid next week. 
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steak_knife

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Joined: Fri May 22, 2009 11:30 pm Posts: 21335 Location: Smart Ass Island
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 Posted: Sun Oct 04, 2009 1:20 pm |
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Bruce wrote: steknig wrote: Mugwui wrote: steknig wrote: Bush in my possession! Hey Steknig, any progress on this one? Yes mate, because polyurethane shrink`s when setting, we have had to have a mold made up, Tim is paying for the mold to be made so he will own it, Should be mid next week when we get them........ Gee talk about push Mould may take at least a week to machine up at best. Then make a part (quick) so mid next week will be way out of the question. Maybe by the following mid next week. 
O K !! At least a start in the right direction has been made, the expert is on the case, we`ll just have to wait....
So no hurry Bruce, but what`s taking so long?? 
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royce

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Joined: Sun Jun 11, 2006 11:30 pm Posts: 17216 Location: Pluto
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steknig wrote: Mugwui wrote: steknig wrote: Bush in my possession! Hey Steknig, any progress on this one? Yes mate, because polyurethane shrink`s when setting, we have had to have a mold made up, Tim is paying for the mold to be made so he will own it, Should be mid next week when we get them........

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steak_knife

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Joined: Fri May 22, 2009 11:30 pm Posts: 21335 Location: Smart Ass Island
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 Posted: Sun Oct 04, 2009 1:56 pm |
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I know, typical Suzuki driver`s, I want it now & I don`t want to pay for it....
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ODA1
Joined: Mon Jan 08, 2007 10:30 pm Posts: 1414
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 Posted: Sun Oct 04, 2009 7:17 pm |
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they came to me 
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steak_knife

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Joined: Fri May 22, 2009 11:30 pm Posts: 21335 Location: Smart Ass Island
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 Posted: Sun Oct 04, 2009 7:19 pm |
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ODA1 wrote: they came to me 
Who did?
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steak_knife

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Joined: Fri May 22, 2009 11:30 pm Posts: 21335 Location: Smart Ass Island
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Hay Tim, Any word yet? Sent you a pm to.. 
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ODA1
Joined: Mon Jan 08, 2007 10:30 pm Posts: 1414
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hi
i had a long chat to bruce and im forking alot of money out at the moment and the cost for it to be made and no garrentee that it will work means im gun shy. anybody else is welcome to pay for the mold.
tim the pm avoiding man 
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steak_knife

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Joined: Fri May 22, 2009 11:30 pm Posts: 21335 Location: Smart Ass Island
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 Posted: Thu Oct 15, 2009 1:35 am |
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I know the bush work`s, if he can copy it , it will work. I`ll ring ya tamorra...
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Bruce

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Joined: Sun Jun 11, 2006 11:30 pm Posts: 4003 Location: Brisbane
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I can copy it no worries but using the part I have will be too small.
By the time i make the mould from that part, then make a part from that mould it will be the incorrect size. Remember the shaft needs to fit in there so the centre part will be too big and the out side will be too small.
I can made the part no worries but we need to make a ally or steel mould which is 2% larger to allow for this. I have told Tim the price to do this and left it in his hands. We don't make steel moulds, we get our machine guy to do that.
I can if you want make the mould and make a part from that but I am 99.999999% sure I will be wasteing my time and it won't work. The last thing I need is someone to ring me saying that the dam thing is shit and failed and your produce is crap. I have a very good rep with poly parts but don't like to do crap work.
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royce

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Joined: Sun Jun 11, 2006 11:30 pm Posts: 17216 Location: Pluto
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 Posted: Thu Oct 15, 2009 2:05 am |
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go draw me a pic in paint with dimensions and I will see if I can sort something out
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