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suzukikid
Joined: Sun Jan 14, 2007 10:30 pm Posts: 2803 Location: Melton Victoria!
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i did mean cv!
The splines on it axel that have been in the cv are hardly there! the axel diffinatly hasnt broken! and all the ball bearings are still in the cv just its cracked 3 times...
Any way its shagged got more comin! 
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Gwagensteve
Joined: Thu Feb 26, 2009 10:30 pm Posts: 13008 Location: Melbourne
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That's a normal result of the axle jumping splines once the cage breaks. It's why it's normally impossible to salvage the inner axle.
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suzukikid
Joined: Sun Jan 14, 2007 10:30 pm Posts: 2803 Location: Melton Victoria!
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AH fair enough then! i knew nothin about cv's....hadent even ripped one out before!haha here are some pics anyway!

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Brenno
Joined: Thu Apr 22, 2010 11:30 pm Posts: 998 Location: Hobart
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Gwagensteve wrote: alien wrote: you could run WT diffs and different offset rims dude =) ^^^ This. Much better outcome. Less scrub radius, happier bearings, more parts support. Steve.
It would, however it would mean:
- new rims, + swapping tyres over (and trying to fit a 10.5 inch wide tyre on a narrow rim, and finding one that has little backspacing)
- buying wt diffs
- buying cromos
- re engineering
- fab work to fit wt diffs
Which would put it at around the 2grand mark. Which to me is not worth it, seeing as I havent broken anything in 7 years of owning suzukis. This may be down to our Tassie conditions, or more likely my driving style.
If...I had a WT sierra, it would most likely be on the cards. I am however more worried about snapping a rear axle than a front CV.
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just_cruizin

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Joined: Sun Jun 25, 2006 11:30 pm Posts: 2867 Location: here
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Chromos from them too, probably only WT though
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Bugsta
Joined: Fri Oct 30, 2009 10:30 pm Posts: 1754 Location: North Brisbane
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I have never broken the star of the CV. Only ever the cage and outer shell.
I am now running trialjimny axles and CV's sourced through Suzisport. At $145each CV, thats not a major blow. The trialjimny CV's were pretty crap and WAY overpriced in my opinion. I also have 15mm FWH spacers.
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Gwagensteve
Joined: Thu Feb 26, 2009 10:30 pm Posts: 13008 Location: Melbourne
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Brenno wrote: It would, however it would mean:
- new rims, NO! - buying wt diffs Of course - buying cromos Yes - re engineering Really? - fab work to fit wt diffs Yes
Really it is four spring perches and getting your current rims offset changed on top of the price of WT diffs. Hardly a show stopper.
If you haven't broken anything though that's cool there's no need for the upgrade, but you are stepping up to 34's, no? The reduced scrub radius WT diffs allow (and how much easier this therefore makes tyre fitment) alone would make me look at it pretty hard at WT's, even if only for the front.
Steve.
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steak_knife

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Joined: Fri May 22, 2009 11:30 pm Posts: 21335 Location: Smart Ass Island
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yes 
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SierraDan

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Joined: Fri Feb 04, 2011 10:55 pm Posts: 9348 Location: Newcastle
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steak_knife wrote: yes 
I agree.
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steak_knife

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Joined: Fri May 22, 2009 11:30 pm Posts: 21335 Location: Smart Ass Island
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SierraDan wrote: steak_knife wrote: yes I agree.
Us to..... 
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SierraDan

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Joined: Fri Feb 04, 2011 10:55 pm Posts: 9348 Location: Newcastle
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steak_knife wrote: SierraDan wrote: steak_knife wrote: yes I agree. Us to.....  
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Brenno
Joined: Thu Apr 22, 2010 11:30 pm Posts: 998 Location: Hobart
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 Posted: Fri Jan 13, 2012 1:11 am |
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Just thinking, are the shaft lengths the only difference between NT and WT?
Would it be possible to extend the splines and lop off enough shaft so they are NT dimensions?
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tanshi

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Joined: Tue Jan 09, 2007 10:30 pm Posts: 7717 Location: Brisbane
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yeah shaft lengths are the only difference.
not sure about lengthening the splines and shortening the shafts though.
We run the chromos CVs with custom hytuff shafts in them in our LJs.
Custom shafts would be a much better way to go i think
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Gwagensteve
Joined: Thu Feb 26, 2009 10:30 pm Posts: 13008 Location: Melbourne
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X2 - custom inners are the way to go.
There's a couple of issues with shortening/resplining.
Well designed axles are the same OD at the base of the spline as the OD of the axle.
Like this:
(Most obvious on the one on the right)
It's not actually possible to shorten this axle as there is no material there to cut a spline in. I call these axles "well designed" as they [i]shouldn't[/] be able to twist a spline - the spline is stronger than the "plain" shaft, so the shaft will twist before the spline.
However, early DT's (and maybe some current suppliers) were the same diameter as the inner axle seal from end to end, and the splines were cut in. These could, theoretically, be shortened.
However, cutting splines in the hard state (after heat treatment) is inadvisable - it's hard on the tooling, but also, you are cutting through the surface hardening, so it's likely the spline will wear quickly. Good practice would be to anneal the shaft, cut and spline it, then re heat treat it.
Which makes it cheaper to start from scratch really.
Steve.
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Brenno
Joined: Thu Apr 22, 2010 11:30 pm Posts: 998 Location: Hobart
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 Posted: Fri Jan 13, 2012 12:21 pm |
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Thanks for the info Steve, I knew there must have been a good reason!
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steak_knife

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Joined: Fri May 22, 2009 11:30 pm Posts: 21335 Location: Smart Ass Island
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 Posted: Fri Jan 13, 2012 6:30 pm |
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SierraDan wrote: steak_knife wrote: SierraDan wrote: steak_knife wrote: yes I agree. Us to..... 
Oh yeah!!! 
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