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nick.gooding
Joined: Tue Jun 16, 2009 11:30 pm Posts: 195 Location: QLD, Bonogin
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i got given a a Holden Barina a while back and was just wondering if anyone knows if the engine is able to be used in sierras.
if so how much should i chase for it.
its it pritty good condition(engine any way) i think its a 1994 model and done around 230 000 kms. might not even be worth anything...
thanks guys...
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lump_a_charcoal
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Joined: Wed Feb 28, 2007 10:30 pm Posts: 4454 Location: Botany, NSW
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Posted: Mon Nov 02, 2009 8:25 pm |
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You could try for $150 if it has decent compression, however I reckon a case of bourbon may be more likely...
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weaves
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Joined: Fri Mar 21, 2008 10:30 pm Posts: 1564 Location: Newcastle
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Posted: Mon Nov 02, 2009 8:29 pm |
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I've done the same thing, its not exactly the same but its close. Manifolds are different, as is the starter (unless mines a oddball), carbies different, the oil pick ups different
basically the block and head, the rest is a mess around.
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weaves
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Joined: Fri Mar 21, 2008 10:30 pm Posts: 1564 Location: Newcastle
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lump_a_charcoal wrote: You could try for $150 if it has decent compression, however I reckon a case of bourbon may be more likely...
i paid $50 for the whole nicely running car with a brand new alternator.
anything over that would be a bonus.
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ODA1
Joined: Mon Jan 08, 2007 10:30 pm Posts: 1414
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Posted: Mon Nov 02, 2009 8:34 pm |
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barina's are gutless 
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atari4x4
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Posted: Mon Nov 02, 2009 8:37 pm |
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I'll give you $7 for it if you drive it to Adelaide 
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nick.gooding
Joined: Tue Jun 16, 2009 11:30 pm Posts: 195 Location: QLD, Bonogin
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Posted: Mon Nov 02, 2009 10:12 pm |
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the only reason i want to sell it is because i have no money so Bourbons no good. there not gutless for a 1.3 it goes a lot harder than the sierra.
if anyone needs anything barina, PM me
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lump_a_charcoal
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Posted: Mon Nov 02, 2009 10:19 pm |
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Does it have factory valve caps?
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bogfrog
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Joined: Mon Dec 29, 2008 10:30 pm Posts: 596 Location: Mt Evelyn Vic
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Posted: Mon Nov 02, 2009 11:06 pm |
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nick.gooding wrote: i got given a a Holden Barina a while back and was just wondering if anyone knows if the engine is able to be used in sierras.
if so how much should i chase for it.
its it pritty good condition(engine any way) i think its a 1994 model and done around 230 000 kms. might not even be worth anything...
thanks guys...
I have a Barina engine in mine I scored it for nothin' just had to pull it out of a mates car.
They require a little mucking around to change over parts as the barina is an east west mounting the dizzy is straight out so that needs to be changed to a Suzy one, as does the cam! because the keyway is wrong for the Sierra dizzy, the oil pick up as said is wrong as is the sump, inlet manifold is a throw away just replace with Sierra one and carb to. You will have to swap sierra water pump nose (the tube at the rear of the water pump) to sierra one but if you leave the actual water pump and pulleys this makes it an easy job for fitting an EL 110amp Alternator later otherwise replace W/Pump as well all parts are interchange-able not a hard job at all! You might as well do all the gaskets etc.. while doing all this saves worrying 'bout them later! Cheers Robb.
Oh yeah! fuel pump is useless as the barina's are elec pump so will need to run one of these and if running barina pulleys the sierra fan won't bolt up so will need to make a new spacer or run a thermo!
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sbyard
Joined: Sat Oct 10, 2009 10:30 pm Posts: 189 Location: Perth, WA
Vehicle: 89 Softtop Sierra, 6.5's, 30's
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bogfrog wrote: nick.gooding wrote: i got given a a Holden Barina a while back and was just wondering if anyone knows if the engine is able to be used in sierras.
if so how much should i chase for it.
its it pritty good condition(engine any way) i think its a 1994 model and done around 230 000 kms. might not even be worth anything...
thanks guys... I have a Barina engine in mine I scored it for nothin' just had to pull it out of a mates car. They require a little mucking around to change over parts as the barina is an east west mounting the dizzy is straight out so that needs to be changed to a Suzy one, as does the cam! because the keyway is wrong for the Sierra dizzy, the oil pick up as said is wrong as is the sump, inlet manifold is a throw away just replace with Sierra one and carb to. You will have to swap sierra water pump nose (the tube at the rear of the water pump) to sierra one but if you leave the actual water pump and pulleys this makes it an easy job for fitting an EL 110amp Alternator later otherwise replace W/Pump as well all parts are interchange-able not a hard job at all! You might as well do all the gaskets etc.. while doing all this saves worrying 'bout them later! Cheers Robb. Oh yeah! fuel pump is useless as the barina's are elec pump so will need to run one of these and if running barina pulleys the sierra fan won't bolt up so will need to make a new spacer or run a thermo! And what are the differences in the engine benefitwise?
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losfer
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Joined: Fri Mar 30, 2007 11:30 pm Posts: 977
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Posted: Tue Nov 03, 2009 1:55 am |
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sbyard wrote: bogfrog wrote: nick.gooding wrote: i got given a a Holden Barina a while back and was just wondering if anyone knows if the engine is able to be used in sierras.
if so how much should i chase for it.
its it pritty good condition(engine any way) i think its a 1994 model and done around 230 000 kms. might not even be worth anything...
thanks guys... I have a Barina engine in mine I scored it for nothin' just had to pull it out of a mates car. They require a little mucking around to change over parts as the barina is an east west mounting the dizzy is straight out so that needs to be changed to a Suzy one, as does the cam! because the keyway is wrong for the Sierra dizzy, the oil pick up as said is wrong as is the sump, inlet manifold is a throw away just replace with Sierra one and carb to. You will have to swap sierra water pump nose (the tube at the rear of the water pump) to sierra one but if you leave the actual water pump and pulleys this makes it an easy job for fitting an EL 110amp Alternator later otherwise replace W/Pump as well all parts are interchange-able not a hard job at all! You might as well do all the gaskets etc.. while doing all this saves worrying 'bout them later! Cheers Robb. Oh yeah! fuel pump is useless as the barina's are elec pump so will need to run one of these and if running barina pulleys the sierra fan won't bolt up so will need to make a new spacer or run a thermo! And what are the differences in the engine benefitwise? absolutely nothing
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weaves
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Joined: Fri Mar 21, 2008 10:30 pm Posts: 1564 Location: Newcastle
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Posted: Tue Nov 03, 2009 1:55 am |
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bogfrog wrote: nick.gooding wrote: i got given a a Holden Barina a while back and was just wondering if anyone knows if the engine is able to be used in sierras.
if so how much should i chase for it.
its it pritty good condition(engine any way) i think its a 1994 model and done around 230 000 kms. might not even be worth anything...
thanks guys... I have a Barina engine in mine I scored it for nothin' just had to pull it out of a mates car. They require a little mucking around to change over parts as the barina is an east west mounting the dizzy is straight out so that needs to be changed to a Suzy one, as does the cam! because the keyway is wrong for the Sierra dizzy, the oil pick up as said is wrong as is the sump, inlet manifold is a throw away just replace with Sierra one and carb to. You will have to swap sierra water pump nose (the tube at the rear of the water pump) to sierra one but if you leave the actual water pump and pulleys this makes it an easy job for fitting an EL 110amp Alternator later otherwise replace W/Pump as well all parts are interchange-able not a hard job at all! You might as well do all the gaskets etc.. while doing all this saves worrying 'bout them later! Cheers Robb. Oh yeah! fuel pump is useless as the barina's are elec pump so will need to run one of these and if running barina pulleys the sierra fan won't bolt up so will need to make a new spacer or run a thermo! My swift engine is out of a MK1 swift (oldest of the old) and it has a right angled dizzy and mechanical fuel pump.
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Santos
Joined: Tue Jun 09, 2009 11:30 pm Posts: 1009 Location: Sydney -ish
Vehicle: 92 Suzuki Sierra
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losfer wrote: sbyard wrote:
And what are the differences in the engine benefitwise?
absolutely nothing
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2stroker
Joined: Sun Sep 07, 2008 11:30 pm Posts: 2689 Location: North Brisbane
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Posted: Tue Nov 03, 2009 4:36 am |
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1994 was the change over year, it could be the 1.4 TBI opel type engine not the suzuki 1.3
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jdk81
Joined: Sat Jul 18, 2009 11:30 pm Posts: 2372 Location: Ballarat, VIC
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Posted: Tue Nov 03, 2009 2:40 pm |
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This is info my friend and I received from suziworld.
The barina's which have the mount on the side of the bore for nock sensors, have different pistons than the sierras,. The barina engines are prone to dropping the piston skirts when used in a sierra (with sierra cam etc).
As said before, needs a lot of crap changed over.
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2stroker
Joined: Sun Sep 07, 2008 11:30 pm Posts: 2689 Location: North Brisbane
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Posted: Wed Nov 04, 2009 1:10 am |
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As I have already said, if it is 1994 Barina it may not even be a suzuki engine but the TBI 1.4 Opel engine which does not even vaguely resemble a Suzuki engine.
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losfer
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Posted: Thu Nov 05, 2009 1:42 am |
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jdk81 wrote: This is info my friend and I received from suziworld.
The barina's which have the mount on the side of the bore for nock sensors, have different pistons than the sierras,. The barina engines are prone to dropping the piston skirts when used in a sierra (with sierra cam etc).
As said before, needs a lot of crap changed over.
my (genuine suzuki) part finder says barina pistons are the same as sierra , as i suspected.
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Santos
Joined: Tue Jun 09, 2009 11:30 pm Posts: 1009 Location: Sydney -ish
Vehicle: 92 Suzuki Sierra
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Posted: Thu Nov 05, 2009 3:19 am |
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i have pulled apart a g13ba swift engine and g13a sierra engine (and a g13b cultus engine)
- The rods were thinner on the g13ba swift engine (the sierra rods where as thick as gti one but with 17mm pin holes)
- the g13ba had a flat piston where as the g13a where dished (not talking about valve cut outs)
g13ba blocks do have knock sensor mounting holes (plus several extra acc mount holes)
Swift and Sierra engines have heaps of small details that set them apart (not just rwd/fwd things)
The best way i can describe it is they are identical twins, with different haircuts, dress style and different scars. A lot of it can be dismissed as trivial but then you got to wonder why suzuki's engineersdecided to make the changes 
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