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whincup

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Joined: Sat Apr 17, 2010 11:30 pm Posts: 1588 Location: Gracemere, QLD
Vehicle: '94 suzuki maruti
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 Posted: Wed Aug 25, 2010 12:05 pm |
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i know i should have searched first, but ive read most posts about flex over the last 6-12 months anyway... just went out for a quick trip with a mate, decided on a few shots. now, i knew i didnt have much flex, but i didnt know it was THIS bad...
now, my main question, is how much further would i expect it to drop if i remove the sway bar? im not keen on buying new springs/shocks...
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Zook_Fan

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Joined: Thu Mar 13, 2008 10:30 pm Posts: 4530 Location: Toowoomba
Vehicle: Maruti and LJ80's
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 Posted: Wed Aug 25, 2010 12:06 pm |
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probably a fair bit. it won't suddenly flex its arse off but it will be a hell of a lot better than that AND it will be a lot smoother on the road.
also where is that? qmag area?
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Fatzook

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Joined: Sat Oct 27, 2007 11:30 pm Posts: 14977 Location: The Hills
Vehicle: Vitara, NGV
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2-3" assuming your shocks are long enough 
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atari4x4

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Joined: Mon Dec 11, 2006 10:30 pm Posts: 34842 Location: East Radelayed
Vehicle: SV420+SV620 Vitara's
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 Posted: Wed Aug 25, 2010 12:08 pm |
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my vitara has more flex than that....
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whincup

az supporter
Joined: Sat Apr 17, 2010 11:30 pm Posts: 1588 Location: Gracemere, QLD
Vehicle: '94 suzuki maruti
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 Posted: Wed Aug 25, 2010 12:11 pm |
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yes, but your vitara has a lot of work on it with quality brand springs and shocks. mine are cheap trak ryder springs from pedders up front, and OME springs in back, and OME shocks all round...
this is 2" spring lift, tyre size is 215/75R15...
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appsie
Joined: Sun Apr 20, 2008 11:30 pm Posts: 2225
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 Posted: Wed Aug 25, 2010 12:12 pm |
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looks like your climbing out of a hole a bit??in which case you cant really judge the flex.not in a sierra ive found anyway.
mine has ok flex lifted with the forklift and allowed to settle but hitting anything with momentum it sux the big one and is a issue id like to resolve.
Take off the sway bar and try man
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Zook_Fan

az supporter
Joined: Thu Mar 13, 2008 10:30 pm Posts: 4530 Location: Toowoomba
Vehicle: Maruti and LJ80's
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 Posted: Wed Aug 25, 2010 12:12 pm |
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take the sway bar out and maybe a leaf out of each pack.
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whincup

az supporter
Joined: Sat Apr 17, 2010 11:30 pm Posts: 1588 Location: Gracemere, QLD
Vehicle: '94 suzuki maruti
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Zook_Fan wrote: also where is that? qmag area?
this is back streets of gracemere, out behind the dump. pretty dry at this point so not anywhere near as much fun as it was 3 weeks ago...
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whincup

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Joined: Sat Apr 17, 2010 11:30 pm Posts: 1588 Location: Gracemere, QLD
Vehicle: '94 suzuki maruti
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appsie wrote: looks like your climbing out of a hole a bit??in which case you cant really judge the flex.not in a sierra ive found anyway. wish i could say that was the case, but i just crawled into it and stopped... not bogged, just because i was after photos... Zook_Fan wrote: take the sway bar out and maybe a leaf out of each pack.
yea i was thinking about taking the load leaf and maybe another out of the rear since i rarely, if ever, have anything in the back, then one out of the fronts as well... think im going to try one all round after tonight.
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Zook_Fan

az supporter
Joined: Thu Mar 13, 2008 10:30 pm Posts: 4530 Location: Toowoomba
Vehicle: Maruti and LJ80's
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 Posted: Wed Aug 25, 2010 12:24 pm |
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just remember if you do pull the leaf's out your car will drop slightly. i know you only have small tyres on there but it may be an issue.
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suzukilwb
Joined: Sun Jul 19, 2009 11:30 pm Posts: 358 Location: milang
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 Posted: Wed Aug 25, 2010 12:34 pm |
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take the sway bar out i got heaps more flex out of my zook when i done it
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neilss
Joined: Sun Sep 20, 2009 11:30 pm Posts: 72 Location: adel
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 Posted: Wed Aug 25, 2010 12:36 pm |
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this might sound dumb but whats the say bar, and if u can take it out whats its purpose
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Zook_Fan

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Joined: Thu Mar 13, 2008 10:30 pm Posts: 4530 Location: Toowoomba
Vehicle: Maruti and LJ80's
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 Posted: Wed Aug 25, 2010 12:42 pm |
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its purpose is to make the handeling of the vehicle better by making another link between the diff and the chassis it helps keep the inside wheel on the road in a hard turn, that sort of stuff. on the photo above you can see it (covered in mud) between the front end of the springs. by taking it off it lets the diff move more freely. it means that it does make the car handle slightly different on road, you may have to slow down on cornering marginally but they have little effect i have found
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suzukilwb
Joined: Sun Jul 19, 2009 11:30 pm Posts: 358 Location: milang
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neilss wrote: this might sound dumb but whats the say bar, and if u can take it out whats its purpose
pic to point it out
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whincup

az supporter
Joined: Sat Apr 17, 2010 11:30 pm Posts: 1588 Location: Gracemere, QLD
Vehicle: '94 suzuki maruti
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 Posted: Wed Aug 25, 2010 12:50 pm |
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essentially it minimizes body roll, or swaying. it makes the car stiffer, and more responsive in cornering. from what i understand anyway...
might pull it out over the weekend
also love this pic because you can see my shiny new steering damper. only fitted this afternoon...
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Fatzook

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Joined: Sat Oct 27, 2007 11:30 pm Posts: 14977 Location: The Hills
Vehicle: Vitara, NGV
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 Posted: Wed Aug 25, 2010 1:14 pm |
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I think you should keep the swaybar, but give the rest to me 
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morpheus

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Joined: Mon Oct 06, 2008 10:30 pm Posts: 689 Location: Adelaide
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i had a sierra WT. and liked to throw it around the corners a bit... i removed the sway bar, and didn't notice any extra body roll at all in the corners..
so just remove it... but dont throw it away. cus i think its illegal to have removed it, and if you ever have to have an inspection done, you can put it back on for the day..
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alien
Joined: Wed Mar 24, 2010 10:30 pm Posts: 16343 Location: Perth
Vehicle: '92 Sierra, 1.6efi, SPOA, 31s.
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almost all the sierras you buy in perth are missing their sway bar... its useless and crappy and should be recycled to make hyundais.
ditch the swaybar and see how you go ramping it up... measure EVERYTHING (droop and compression) - then unbolt the shocks all round, ramp it up and measure again - if the results vary your shocks are holding you back.
after that if you're still not happy, look into doing a RUF conversion.
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Chopz
Joined: Thu Nov 12, 2009 10:30 pm Posts: 544 Location: Perth
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1 swaybar=3 good paint stirrers
thats what i did with mine anyway 
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Brett

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Joined: Tue May 27, 2008 11:30 pm Posts: 1791 Location: Central coast NSW
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 Posted: Wed Aug 25, 2010 6:31 pm |
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sway bar isn't going to do any thing for you. that looks like i still has the std shocks so that is the 1st point of call. unless you have really stiff springs the sway bar can stay on
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royce

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Joined: Sun Jun 11, 2006 11:30 pm Posts: 17216 Location: Pluto
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 Posted: Wed Aug 25, 2010 8:46 pm |
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In that position a sierra will always do that, why do you think all the poser shots people put up are in that position
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whincup

az supporter
Joined: Sat Apr 17, 2010 11:30 pm Posts: 1588 Location: Gracemere, QLD
Vehicle: '94 suzuki maruti
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 Posted: Wed Aug 25, 2010 11:27 pm |
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actually, on topic of RUF... is it possible to do one without welding/drilling the spring perches? every post ive read talks about doing either one of those...
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tanshi

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Joined: Tue Jan 09, 2007 10:30 pm Posts: 7717 Location: Brisbane
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 Posted: Wed Aug 25, 2010 11:42 pm |
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to do it well you should weld.
It can be done with out but is not ideal
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BlueSuzy

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Joined: Sun May 04, 2008 11:30 pm Posts: 9716 Location: NSW
Vehicle: SJ51 LWB, SJ70 SWB
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 Posted: Wed Aug 25, 2010 11:48 pm |
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if you want super stiff, i have 2 swaybars here for you. 3 swaybars up front should do it.
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Moph

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Joined: Sat May 19, 2007 11:30 pm Posts: 2535 Location: Perth
Vehicle: 93 Sierra
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 Posted: Wed Aug 25, 2010 11:58 pm |
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It never looks like as much flex when in that position. For comparison - two shots of my car, both with the same setup. RHS front was just off ground in the offroad photo.
Besides, flex is over-rated. Lockers are where it's at. Flex makes you look good, but lockers get you up and over.

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jonno_racing

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Joined: Wed Apr 15, 2009 11:30 pm Posts: 8164 Location: Tassie
Vehicle: suzuki
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 Posted: Thu Aug 26, 2010 12:52 am |
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royce wrote: In that position a sierra will always do that, why do you think all the poser shots people put up are in that position
even coilys

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Gwagensteve
Joined: Thu Feb 26, 2009 10:30 pm Posts: 13007 Location: Melbourne
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 Posted: Thu Aug 26, 2010 7:12 am |
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jonno_racing wrote: even more so with coilys
Fixed for you 
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appsie
Joined: Sun Apr 20, 2008 11:30 pm Posts: 2225
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 Posted: Thu Aug 26, 2010 7:33 am |
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which goes back to why i mentioned it in my post before.sierras love doing it  and x2 with royce
get over the flex and lock that shyt
pic 1 is driving toward pic 2,just infront of RH front wheel
driving out of the hole,that was july 09,its way worse now as i showed DEADZOOK and aerenandmel the other weekend....was fun
climbing a decent hill up through some washouts

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ajsr

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Joined: Sun Dec 28, 2008 10:30 pm Posts: 3712 Location: melb
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flex is over rated get lockers and go places.

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appsie
Joined: Sun Apr 20, 2008 11:30 pm Posts: 2225
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 Posted: Thu Aug 26, 2010 8:02 am |
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awesome 
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