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russty_2008
Joined: Thu Nov 26, 2009 10:30 pm Posts: 435 Location: Gladstone QLD
Vehicle: G16b 83
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ive got the wide track diffs and thinking maybe i should go straight to hilux diffs how much harder would it be to put the lux diffs in and what would i need in the way of steering arms does anyone know how much wider the hilux diffs are to wt diffs
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Rusho

Tubby Elfsdong
Joined: Sun Aug 02, 2009 11:30 pm Posts: 6501 Location: Northside, Brisbane
Vehicle: Coily Sierra
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Is it going to be road driven?? You are goin to have a hard time keeping the people who care off your back with them
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2stroker
Joined: Sun Sep 07, 2008 11:30 pm Posts: 2689 Location: North Brisbane
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hilux =
widetrack = 
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303zuke

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Joined: Wed Aug 19, 2009 11:30 pm Posts: 2447
Vehicle: LJ50V, SJ70
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Rusho wrote: You are goin to have a hard time keeping the people who care off your back with them
That's the first time I've heard them called that!
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BlueSuzy

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Joined: Sun May 04, 2008 11:30 pm Posts: 9716 Location: NSW
Vehicle: SJ51 LWB, SJ70 SWB
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2stroker wrote: hilux = widetrack = 

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jonno_racing

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Joined: Wed Apr 15, 2009 11:30 pm Posts: 8164 Location: Tassie
Vehicle: suzuki
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Red89
Joined: Tue Jan 12, 2010 10:30 pm Posts: 2801 Location: Perth
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jonno_racing wrote: it also comes down to what you want to do with her
And what size tyres you plan on running. You can comfortably run 34's on beefed up WT diffs and a stretch 35's depending on the terrain and driving style.
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jonno_racing

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Joined: Wed Apr 15, 2009 11:30 pm Posts: 8164 Location: Tassie
Vehicle: suzuki
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Red89 wrote: jonno_racing wrote: it also comes down to what you want to do with her And what size tyres you plan on running. You can comfortably run 34's on beefed up WT diffs and a stretch 35's depending on the terrain and driving style.
this being very true but we have big issues with wheel bearings down here on anything over a 31
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weaves

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Joined: Fri Mar 21, 2008 10:30 pm Posts: 1564 Location: Newcastle
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jonno_racing wrote: Red89 wrote: jonno_racing wrote: it also comes down to what you want to do with her And what size tyres you plan on running. You can comfortably run 34's on beefed up WT diffs and a stretch 35's depending on the terrain and driving style. this being very true but we have big issues with wheel bearings down here on anything over a 31
I truely believe that is because of your terrain, Lots of mud.
the more contaminent you push on the face of your seals, the more contaminents make it past and into the bearing. A 1 micron peice of dirt is enough to cause a bearing failure (a human hair is 6 microns wide).
weaves
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Ben_Sierra

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Joined: Wed Sep 30, 2009 11:30 pm Posts: 4472 Location: Perth
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Keep the gheyota parts away! Keep it all Zook 
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want33s

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Joined: Fri Nov 16, 2007 10:30 pm Posts: 8134 Location: Sunshine Coast Qld
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If you decide to go hilux diffs you'll almost certainly have to do SOA or link it.
I can help you out with a snake racing SOA steering arm for the passengers side hub.
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russty_2008
Joined: Thu Nov 26, 2009 10:30 pm Posts: 435 Location: Gladstone QLD
Vehicle: G16b 83
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cheers lads i stayed with the wt diffs already got the back one in now for the front
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jonno_racing

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Joined: Wed Apr 15, 2009 11:30 pm Posts: 8164 Location: Tassie
Vehicle: suzuki
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weaves wrote: jonno_racing wrote: Red89 wrote: jonno_racing wrote: it also comes down to what you want to do with her And what size tyres you plan on running. You can comfortably run 34's on beefed up WT diffs and a stretch 35's depending on the terrain and driving style. this being very true but we have big issues with wheel bearings down here on anything over a 31 I truely believe that is because of your terrain, Lots of mud. the more contaminent you push on the face of your seals, the more contaminents make it past and into the bearing. A 1 micron peice of dirt is enough to cause a bearing failure (a human hair is 6 microns wide). weaves
yeah your proberbly right... can you get better seals?
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weaves

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Joined: Fri Mar 21, 2008 10:30 pm Posts: 1564 Location: Newcastle
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with the sierra rear wheel bearing set up the oil seal does nothing to protect the bearing itself, so it comes down to the seal on the bearing and unfortunatly you have no options there.
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jonno_racing

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Joined: Wed Apr 15, 2009 11:30 pm Posts: 8164 Location: Tassie
Vehicle: suzuki
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weaves wrote: with the sierra rear wheel bearing set up the oil seal does nothing to protect the bearing itself, so it comes down to the seal on the bearing and unfortunatly you have no options there.
its actualy the front ones we have issues with.
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Gwagensteve
Joined: Thu Feb 26, 2009 10:30 pm Posts: 13007 Location: Melbourne
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A) How often is "often"
B) When you rebuild them are you setting bearing preload by feel or by torque wrench? I found this makes a huge difference in how often they come loose. Torque wrench more than tripled my rebuild times. The procedure for using a torque wrench is in the FSM but it's not widely followed.
C) What is the condition of the seal surfaces on your spindles? Are they at all pitted? Are you changing the hub seal every time you do your bearings?
D) Are you sure you aren't also getting water in around the knuckle seals and/or the freewheeling hub seals, not just the hub seal?
E) Are you still running splash guards?
Sorry for the hijack- this is an interesting area.
Steve.
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jonno_racing

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Joined: Wed Apr 15, 2009 11:30 pm Posts: 8164 Location: Tassie
Vehicle: suzuki
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Gwagensteve wrote: A) How often is "often" every 3-6 months in my old zook, i am about to put the first set in my coily, they are better i am led to beleve
B) When you rebuild them are you setting bearing preload by feel or by torque wrench? I found this makes a huge difference in how often they come loose. Torque wrench more than tripled my rebuild times. The procedure for using a torque wrench is in the FSM but it's not widely followed. i have always done them buy hand.. however i will look in2 this
C) What is the condition of the seal surfaces on your spindles? Are they at all pitted? Are you changing the hub seal every time you do your bearings? always checked this.. yep perfect and yep replaced
D) Are you sure you aren't also getting water in around the knuckle seals and/or the freewheeling hub seals, not just the hub seal? yeah i always 3bond mine back together not the crappy seals
E) Are you still running splash guards? as in scrapers? yeah
Sorry for the hijack- this is an interesting area.
Steve.
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Gwagensteve
Joined: Thu Feb 26, 2009 10:30 pm Posts: 13007 Location: Melbourne
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The torque wrench and the FSM are your friend.
However, I'd challenge that the coil bearing design is "better". I believe the locking ring design is better than the folded tab washer of the leaf hub, but the bearing spacing is, AFAIK, narrower on the coiler, so they shouldn't be as good at staying tight.
Might be swings and roundabouts.
Steve.
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joeblow
Joined: Sat May 10, 2008 11:30 pm Posts: 3273 Location: melbourne
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coily and vitara front bearings are a 'cassette' type. they are spaced back to back. they are not pre-loaded as leafy bearings are but are set to a factory torque on the locking collar.........i.e effen tight.
if you are running offset wheels with larger rubber there is no real benefit. the only good thing about vit bearings on the front is the plastic cage.....it actually reduces corrosion and wear.
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jonno_racing

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Joined: Wed Apr 15, 2009 11:30 pm Posts: 8164 Location: Tassie
Vehicle: suzuki
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 Posted: Tue Nov 23, 2010 8:55 am |
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i am impressed in my coily bearings... only have a small amout of movment in them.. and only been pulled down once and re greesed...
one of my swivel pin bearings has however died....
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