[scottyy]

Hey guys just bought some hilux diffs for my '95 sierra.
Just wondering if you have any tips for the conversion.
And what to do with the offset for the rear diff.
Cheers

[zooky08]

Dont think u can get hilux diffs engineered on a sierra in qld

[zookernator]

http://www.auszookers.com/index.php?nam ... pic&t=5553

[4wheeljive]

you cant unless you do it spring under

[weaves]

scottyy wrote:

Hey guys just bought some hilux diffs for my '95 sierra.
Just wondering if you have any tips for the conversion.
And what to do with the offset for the rear diff.
Cheers

Assuming your not after a legal truck.

Your spring perch's will pretty much fit the WT spacing, from what i have read its just a case of 'manipulating' them into place.

then you need to look at steering, high steer, cross over setups can be bought through lowrance etc, you will need this as the hilux runs a J arm setup from factory. Some people have flipped and welded another left hand (i think) steering arm on top of the passenger side, using the standard tie rod, and manufacturing a drag link.

as for the rear offset, if this is a trailered rig that will more than likely never be out of low range, it won't caust you too much drama, at any decent speed it will more than lickely vrbrate like mad. If your worried about this you can source a Bundy diff which is offset.

weaves

[Damo]

weaves wrote:

Your spring perch's will pretty much fit the WT spacing

Pretty much fit eh?

They either fit or they don't. And in this case, they don't.

[BUZOOKA]

i dont see the point in ruining one of the sierras key strengths by making it as wide as every other 4wd on the market ...

just my 2 cents .. but hey ur bus go for it

[scottyy]

thanks guys what the chances of finding a bundera diff for the rear because ill be on road

[weaves]

Damo wrote:

weaves wrote:

Your spring perch's will pretty much fit the WT spacing

Pretty much fit eh?

They either fit or they don't. And in this case, they don't.

Yep i stand by my statement, from what i understand its about 1 cm out

[Fatzook]

BUZOOKA wrote:

i dont see the point in ruining one of the sierras key strengths by making it as wide as every other 4wd on the market ...

just my 2 cents .. but hey ur bus go for it

Are you suggesting that giving a vehicle a wider stance is a bad thing?

If so I think you need to re-visit 4WDing 101.

The key advantages of the sierra are not its narrow track, but its light weight, manuverability and general mechanical reliabilty.

Wide and low. Can't go wrong.

[Damo]

weaves wrote:

Damo wrote:

weaves wrote:

Your spring perch's will pretty much fit the WT spacing

Pretty much fit eh?

They either fit or they don't. And in this case, they don't.

Yep i stand by my statement, from what i understand its about 1 cm out

Fair enough, we'll agree to disagree.

Bundy diff won't be as common as hilux, but you can find them if you look.

[Highway-Star]

Fatzook wrote:

BUZOOKA wrote:

i dont see the point in ruining one of the sierras key strengths by making it as wide as every other 4wd on the market ...

just my 2 cents .. but hey ur bus go for it

Are you suggesting that giving a vehicle a wider stance is a bad thing?

If so I think you need to re-visit 4WDing 101.

The key advantages of the sierra are not its narrow track, but its light weight, manuverability and general mechanical reliabilty.

Wide and low. Can't go wrong.

I hate to say this.....but I'm agreeing with buzooka .

I prefer the Narrow track of my LJ over the Sierra. I feel WT Sierras are too wide and cumbersome to begin with. High risk for high gain, love the narrowness

[Damo]

Highway-Star wrote:

Fatzook wrote:

BUZOOKA wrote:

i dont see the point in ruining one of the sierras key strengths by making it as wide as every other 4wd on the market ...

just my 2 cents .. but hey ur bus go for it

Are you suggesting that giving a vehicle a wider stance is a bad thing?

If so I think you need to re-visit 4WDing 101.

The key advantages of the sierra are not its narrow track, but its light weight, manuverability and general mechanical reliabilty.

Wide and low. Can't go wrong.

I hate to say this.....but I'm agreeing with buzooka .

I prefer the Narrow track of my LJ over the Sierra. I feel WT Sierras are too wide and cumbersome to begin with. High risk for high gain, love the narrowness

You trade stability for agility. Depending on where you're wheeling and how you drive one or the other might be an advantage. It's the same old story, no such thing as a free lunch and each to their own.

Personally I like the low & wide type setup.

[atari4x4]

scottyy wrote:

thanks guys what the chances of finding a bundera diff for the rear because ill be on road

right here, right now.

http://auszookers.com/index.php?name=Fo ... ic&t=17606

[Highway-Star]

Damo wrote:

Highway-Star wrote:

Fatzook wrote:

BUZOOKA wrote:

i dont see the point in ruining one of the sierras key strengths by making it as wide as every other 4wd on the market ...

just my 2 cents .. but hey ur bus go for it

Are you suggesting that giving a vehicle a wider stance is a bad thing?

If so I think you need to re-visit 4WDing 101.

The key advantages of the sierra are not its narrow track, but its light weight, manuverability and general mechanical reliabilty.

Wide and low. Can't go wrong.

I hate to say this.....but I'm agreeing with buzooka .

I prefer the Narrow track of my LJ over the Sierra. I feel WT Sierras are too wide and cumbersome to begin with. High risk for high gain, love the narrowness

You trade stability for agility. Depending on where you're wheeling and how you drive one or the other might be an advantage. It's the same old story, no such thing as a free lunch and each to their own.

Personally I like the low & wide type setup.

For sure. Thats why I said I prefer. Not wide is crap...

I prefer all dimensions small, narrow, low and short. Guess thats why I love the LJ80 so much
The LJ80 is probably a tad on the too short side... though the unpredictablity on steep hills adds to the fun

[shep]

what is the difference between a bundera diff and a 75series diff.
i always thought that a bundera was just a swb 75.

[Joe]

shep wrote:

what is the difference between a bundera diff and a 75series diff.
i always thought that a bundera was just a swb 75.

I think it's the offset of the pumpkin

[Damo]

Highway-Star wrote:

Damo wrote:

Highway-Star wrote:

Fatzook wrote:

BUZOOKA wrote:

i dont see the point in ruining one of the sierras key strengths by making it as wide as every other 4wd on the market ...

just my 2 cents .. but hey ur bus go for it

Are you suggesting that giving a vehicle a wider stance is a bad thing?

If so I think you need to re-visit 4WDing 101.

The key advantages of the sierra are not its narrow track, but its light weight, manuverability and general mechanical reliabilty.

Wide and low. Can't go wrong.

I hate to say this.....but I'm agreeing with buzooka .

I prefer the Narrow track of my LJ over the Sierra. I feel WT Sierras are too wide and cumbersome to begin with. High risk for high gain, love the narrowness

You trade stability for agility. Depending on where you're wheeling and how you drive one or the other might be an advantage. It's the same old story, no such thing as a free lunch and each to their own.

Personally I like the low & wide type setup.

For sure. Thats why I said I prefer. Not wide is crap...

I prefer all dimensions small, narrow, low and short. Guess thats why I love the LJ80 so much
The LJ80 is probably a tad on the too short side... though the unpredictablity on steep hills adds to the fun

Critically you're making a point that along with the narrow track, you have lower overall weight, lower CoG. That means the vehicle is in proportion which is probably the most important thing.

[Highway-Star]

Joe wrote:

shep wrote:

what is the difference between a bundera diff and a 75series diff.
i always thought that a bundera was just a swb 75.

I think it's the offset of the pumpkin

Bundera is a "baby" 70 series. The true short wheel base (eg BJ70, Bundera would be RJ70 or LJ70) still runs leaf springs and full size 9" Cruiser centres with full floating rear shafts. The Bundera is a barstardisation of Land Cruiser and Hilux, with smaller 8" centres and semi floating rear shafts.

For all intensive purposes the Cruiser diffs are "superior", however they are heavier and will lose you diff clearance with the 9" centres. Hence , the Bundera is probably better for a Suzuki, as the extra strength of the big diffs would be mostly wasted.

[shep]

Highway-Star wrote:

Joe wrote:

shep wrote:

what is the difference between a bundera diff and a 75series diff.
i always thought that a bundera was just a swb 75.

I think it's the offset of the pumpkin

Bundera is a "baby" 70 series. The true short wheel base (eg BJ70, Bundera would be RJ70 or LJ70) still runs leaf springs and full size 9" Cruiser centres with full floating rear shafts. The Bundera is a barstardisation of Land Cruiser and Hilux, with smaller 8" centres and semi floating rear shafts.

For all intensive purposes the Cruiser diffs are "superior", however they are heavier and will lose you diff clearance with the 9" centres. Hence , the Bundera is probably better for a Suzuki, as the extra strength of the big diffs would be mostly wasted.

i should measure the diff clearance one day as my 75 seems to have almost as much as my sierra.

[Highway-Star]

Damo wrote:

Highway-Star wrote:

For sure. Thats why I said I prefer. Not wide is crap...

I prefer all dimensions small, narrow, low and short. Guess thats why I love the LJ80 so much
The LJ80 is probably a tad on the too short side... though the unpredictablity on steep hills adds to the fun

Critically you're making a point that along with the narrow track, you have lower overall weight, lower CoG. That means the vehicle is in proportion which is probably the most important thing.

I'd say worse COG. LJ80's have the engine in a terrible position. Its very high, and very far forward (The car does feel nose heavy compared to a Sierra). LJ's are supposed to have 2 cylinder 2 strokes in them, the 50 and the 80 were official bodge jobs by Suzuki.... But I still love them

On a related note, I would never own a modified Sierra with NT diffs. I would be WT, but just more inset wheels; the end result would still be what I value in a vehicle. Its plausible the same is achievable with Toyota diffs, I'm just not sure how inset you can go?

[atari4x4]

Joe wrote:

shep wrote:

what is the difference between a bundera diff and a 75series diff.
i always thought that a bundera was just a swb 75.

I think it's the offset of the pumpkin

+ coil springs & radius arm suspension.

[BlueSuzy]

A landcruiser "bundera" is a swb 75' coilsprung. All is hilux sizing with diffs. But slight differences only.

A swb Landcruiser is a leaf one. Bigger centres, fully floating rear. Axles and cv's meant to be same thickness as lux/40/etc

[2stroker]

Actually a Bundera is not really a swb 70 series, although they look similar the front panels are different, they run smaller hilux diff centres but unlike hilux which are offset front and centred rear they are offset in the rear, they only come in 4 cyl 22r or 3b 4 cyl diesel and they are coil sprung. The swb 70 series are leaf sprung come in 6 cyl petrol and 6cyl and 4cyl diesel and are not called Bundera's

[zookernator]

x2 with the low and wide opinion.. its not always about dropping into the wheel ruts, perhaps one should learn to steer clear of them if they are that bloody deep!!!

[appsie]

i pulled a coiled bundy diff out of one with a 2L T which is now under a fellow members truck getting built

scotty,what are your plans for regoing then if your in qld and running springover?

also i say a bit of width cant hurt at all,making it more stable but i also agree that what these things can do in stupid tight gullys is also a big advantage

[BlueSuzy]

my swb wt has 15x8-28 rims on suz diffs.

With my new lux diffs and new 15x8-19 rims, its only going to be 15mm wider a side..In theory...

[mcwilly]

I agree with weaver I know of a zoom on luxs with unmodified spring perches