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Mike

lesspostingmorewheeling
Joined: Tue May 06, 2008 11:30 pm Posts: 2236 Location: Under Down Under
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 Posted: Thu Jul 17, 2008 5:52 am |
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i went to start my zook the other day and it was really hard to start so i took off the air filter to see what was going on and it started
so it won't start with the air filter on when its cold but it starts fine with the filter on when its warmed up
has anyone else had a problem like this or know how i can fix it?
Cheers
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steve

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Joined: Sun Jun 11, 2006 11:30 pm Posts: 7681 Location: Brisbane
Vehicle: 75 Cruiser
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you have a dead cat clogging up your airbox 
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Pubic

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Joined: Sat Feb 23, 2008 10:30 pm Posts: 1303
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sounds more like a gerbal.....
the cat would still cause dramas when its warm...
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Scrawny

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Joined: Tue Jan 29, 2008 10:30 pm Posts: 10528 Location: Brissie
Vehicle: Popemobile
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 Posted: Thu Jul 17, 2008 11:25 am |
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Has the air filter been wet at some stage? If it starts fine when the filter is removed then it may be blocked.
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Mike

lesspostingmorewheeling
Joined: Tue May 06, 2008 11:30 pm Posts: 2236 Location: Under Down Under
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 Posted: Thu Jul 17, 2008 1:24 pm |
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its a brand new filter element
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Scrawny

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Joined: Tue Jan 29, 2008 10:30 pm Posts: 10528 Location: Brissie
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Does the auto choke work ok? Are there blocked breathers? If you start it without the air filter then put it back in does the engine die? Just trying to think of ideas for you, none of them may be any help.... 
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royce

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Joined: Sun Jun 11, 2006 11:30 pm Posts: 17216 Location: Pluto
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 Posted: Thu Jul 17, 2008 2:36 pm |
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air horn is on wrong and stopping the choke from coming on
take top off and refit then see if it starts
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Scrawny

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Joined: Tue Jan 29, 2008 10:30 pm Posts: 10528 Location: Brissie
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 Posted: Thu Jul 17, 2008 2:43 pm |
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I think it's still got the standard electric horn Royce 
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royce

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Joined: Sun Jun 11, 2006 11:30 pm Posts: 17216 Location: Pluto
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 Posted: Thu Jul 17, 2008 2:59 pm |
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maybe he needs to blow the horn at the same time 
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Zook_Fan

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Joined: Thu Mar 13, 2008 10:30 pm Posts: 4530 Location: Toowoomba
Vehicle: Maruti and LJ80's
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yeah i could imagine doin that a 11 at night before going for a night run. I would be very popular with the neighbours
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Scrawny

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Zook_Fan wrote: yeah i could imagine doin that a 11 at night before going for a night run. I would be very popular with the neighbours
Just remember you need to hold on all the way down the road too!! 
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Damo

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Joined: Sat Jul 22, 2006 11:30 pm Posts: 4661 Location: Brisbane
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ScrawnC wrote: Zook_Fan wrote: yeah i could imagine doin that a 11 at night before going for a night run. I would be very popular with the neighbours Just remember you need to hold on all the way down the road too!! 
Connect horn to stop lights, that will fix it.
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Zook_Fan

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Joined: Thu Mar 13, 2008 10:30 pm Posts: 4530 Location: Toowoomba
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 Posted: Thu Jul 17, 2008 8:35 pm |
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off topic much anyway it may be that your carby needs quicker air because your air isnt working properly this was happening before i got my carby rebuilt
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Mike

lesspostingmorewheeling
Joined: Tue May 06, 2008 11:30 pm Posts: 2236 Location: Under Down Under
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 Posted: Thu Jul 17, 2008 10:56 pm |
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ScrawnC wrote: I think it's still got the standard electric horn Royce 
it does have an air horn
i thought that might of been my problem
it does have an auto choke that doesn't work
yes it keeps running when the filter is put back on
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Scrawny

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 Posted: Thu Jul 17, 2008 11:20 pm |
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Opps, my bad!!
Must be an auto choke problem then...
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Mike

lesspostingmorewheeling
Joined: Tue May 06, 2008 11:30 pm Posts: 2236 Location: Under Down Under
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 Posted: Thu Jul 17, 2008 11:23 pm |
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but the auto choke didn't work before i had this problem
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Scrawny

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 Posted: Thu Jul 17, 2008 11:32 pm |
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Hmmmm....
Drop around some time and I'll have a quick look for you if you like
It's hard diagnosing problems like this over the net. Maybe try some carb clean down the throat while it's running. Get the auto choke working again.
Ok, I'm out of ideas for now...
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Mike

lesspostingmorewheeling
Joined: Tue May 06, 2008 11:30 pm Posts: 2236 Location: Under Down Under
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 Posted: Thu Jul 17, 2008 11:34 pm |
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could the actual air filter element have something to do with it?
by the way its a weber 
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Brett

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Joined: Tue May 27, 2008 11:30 pm Posts: 1791 Location: Central coast NSW
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what sort of air cleaner do you have? paper, washable, or steel mesh?
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Mike

lesspostingmorewheeling
Joined: Tue May 06, 2008 11:30 pm Posts: 2236 Location: Under Down Under
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 Posted: Fri Jul 18, 2008 12:36 am |
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its a round paper one i think the whole filter was made for a single barrel carbie on a crossflow
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Zook_Fan

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Joined: Thu Mar 13, 2008 10:30 pm Posts: 4530 Location: Toowoomba
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get a filter that is made for your set up
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Mike

lesspostingmorewheeling
Joined: Tue May 06, 2008 11:30 pm Posts: 2236 Location: Under Down Under
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 Posted: Fri Jul 18, 2008 2:33 am |
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a filter off a 1970s 2litre escort?
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Zook_Fan

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Joined: Thu Mar 13, 2008 10:30 pm Posts: 4530 Location: Toowoomba
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 Posted: Fri Jul 18, 2008 2:38 am |
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So did you do this webber thing real cheap get the carby of an escort and just put it on becase if that is what you have done it is no wonder these problems are coming about
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Mike

lesspostingmorewheeling
Joined: Tue May 06, 2008 11:30 pm Posts: 2236 Location: Under Down Under
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 Posted: Fri Jul 18, 2008 2:58 am |
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not cheap but i wasn't gonna pay like 600 bucks for a new one
before the carby was put on it was rebuilt but yes the jetting is wrong
it doesn't use an adaptor plate like must people the manifold was modified by an engineering place to fit the weber properly
it has run before fine with this setup
i've only had problems for maybe the last week or so
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MART
Joined: Thu Apr 26, 2007 11:30 pm Posts: 282 Location: Sydney
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Hey Mike , got any photo's of your carb and filter , post them up , makes it easier to diagnose , Cheers Paul.
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Mike

lesspostingmorewheeling
Joined: Tue May 06, 2008 11:30 pm Posts: 2236 Location: Under Down Under
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 Posted: Fri Jul 18, 2008 4:06 am |
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this is the only pic i could find

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Mike

lesspostingmorewheeling
Joined: Tue May 06, 2008 11:30 pm Posts: 2236 Location: Under Down Under
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and yes my engine bay is cleaner now 
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Mike

lesspostingmorewheeling
Joined: Tue May 06, 2008 11:30 pm Posts: 2236 Location: Under Down Under
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 Posted: Fri Jul 18, 2008 5:43 am |
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ScrawnC wrote: Does the auto choke work ok? Are there blocked breathers? If you start it without the air filter then put it back in does the engine die? Just trying to think of ideas for you, none of them may be any help.... 
i just remembered that i also fitted a new filter on the breather hose
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Scrawny

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Joined: Tue Jan 29, 2008 10:30 pm Posts: 10528 Location: Brissie
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 Posted: Fri Jul 18, 2008 11:36 am |
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That filter looks like it is big enough to feed that carby. Have you changed anything around the carby that could have caused this problem? Is the underside of the filter fouling on a linkage or vacuum line? It may just be a blockage in the carby itself?
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royce

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Joined: Sun Jun 11, 2006 11:30 pm Posts: 17216 Location: Pluto
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are you getting any fuel droplets on teh inside of the aircleaner when its cold?
webers suck for standoff like that, maybe it building up inside
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