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monley

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Joined: Wed Nov 24, 2010 7:58 am Posts: 11092 Location: Mandurah.W.A.
Vehicle: 84 LWB NT
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I'm not sure how it happened but i went to start my car today and it wouldn't start. Spent a few hour's looking around the engine bay looking for a loose/broken wire or blown fuse. After a bit more looking i seen that some how the main winch power cable had been crushed and was arcing out on the body (hence the car not starting). So after i disconnected that, i hooked some jumper leads on to the car hey presto it started.....then it stalled...tried jump starting it again....stalled again.
Any way after a few revs it would idle with-out stalling....problem solved....no wrong it died again once i tried to turn my head lights on. So i hooked the volt meter on whilst running and i was getting 14.4 volt's at the battery while idling. So i then turned the car off to see how many volt's the battery had after running the car for 10mins....5 volt's  . I then thought it maybe the alternator, so i jump started the car again, once running i disconnected the battery and the car continued to run, so it can't be the alternator right?
So what do i need to look for now to figure out while the battery isn't getting charge?
Can i safely rule out it's NOT alternator?
Where to start?
Cheers,
Andrew
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smiffkid

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Joined: Fri Aug 13, 2010 12:55 pm Posts: 3266 Location: perth wa
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 Posted: Sat Dec 31, 2011 9:37 am |
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not enough limiter lol
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Scales

az supporter
Joined: Mon May 30, 2011 9:28 am Posts: 2233 Location: Townsville
Vehicle: 03 Jim M13A no-vvt, Vinyl Spec
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 Posted: Sat Dec 31, 2011 10:48 am |
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dude your batt is shagged either way. get a newwy and report back. Dont connect your winch yet. Your elecs are fine if you managed to get it going so dont stress about that.
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Jezza86

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Joined: Tue Dec 06, 2011 9:30 am Posts: 2155 Location: Nhulunbuy 0880
Vehicle: 2010 jimny
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 Posted: Sat Dec 31, 2011 11:40 am |
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a nice fat 8 gauge winch cable would give your battery a good fryin. 5 volts after 10 minutes with no draw means you have dead cells, it should at least have 10.5V. be careful taking it out, ive seen these things cook so bad that when they've been lifted they've cracked stripping the paint off the engine bay.
i think i might put isolation on my winch power because of whats happened here!
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monley

az supporter
Joined: Wed Nov 24, 2010 7:58 am Posts: 11092 Location: Mandurah.W.A.
Vehicle: 84 LWB NT
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 Posted: Sat Dec 31, 2011 12:09 pm |
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Thanks guys! I will get another battery tomorrow under warranty hopefully. 
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smiffkid

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Joined: Fri Aug 13, 2010 12:55 pm Posts: 3266 Location: perth wa
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rap your main cable in convolute best way to solve the problem and looks pretty neat also
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MacDaddy

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Joined: Thu Mar 26, 2009 10:30 pm Posts: 10453 Location: Perth, Australia
Vehicle: Jeep
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Yep, what the others have said, you have fried your battery... you are very lucky the Jims have a small battery... if it had been a big one, with more amps/CCA behind it, you may have had some chared black remains left... is there is a fuseable link/circuit breaker/isolator switch, on your winch power cable, sounds like its straight from the battery... 
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alien
Joined: Wed Mar 24, 2010 10:30 pm Posts: 16343 Location: Perth
Vehicle: '92 Sierra, 1.6efi, SPOA, 31s.
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so this would explain why it was doing weird things at the powerlines then huh? =) lucky it didnt fry the battery out there and do all this weird crap!
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Jezza86

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Joined: Tue Dec 06, 2011 9:30 am Posts: 2155 Location: Nhulunbuy 0880
Vehicle: 2010 jimny
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hay on second thought for only $11 US mabie a RFFA500 might be worth it, its a 2 pack of 500 amp fuses. they take 10 seconds to blow, but that's better then melting insulation of ya heavy copper. their a rockford fosgate fuse so they should be pretty good. just not sure how a ceramic fuse would handle vibration...
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royce

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Joined: Sun Jun 11, 2006 11:30 pm Posts: 17216 Location: Pluto
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 Posted: Sat Dec 31, 2011 7:53 pm |
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FFS put some effort into running your cable properly, you realise you just missed your car burning to the ground dont you?
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steak_knife

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Joined: Fri May 22, 2009 11:30 pm Posts: 21335 Location: Smart Ass Island
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royce wrote: FFS put some effort into running your cable properly, you realise you just missed your car burning to the ground dont you?
Or the battery BLOWING the bonnet off.....
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Scales

az supporter
Joined: Mon May 30, 2011 9:28 am Posts: 2233 Location: Townsville
Vehicle: 03 Jim M13A no-vvt, Vinyl Spec
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how did the cable get crushed in the 1st place may i ask? wanna make sure my winch isnt routed the same way.
i dont know anyone who fuses their winches, i havent even got my redarc fused like they say.
calculated risk.
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monley

az supporter
Joined: Wed Nov 24, 2010 7:58 am Posts: 11092 Location: Mandurah.W.A.
Vehicle: 84 LWB NT
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 Posted: Sat Dec 31, 2011 10:55 pm |
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Scales wrote: how did the cable get crushed in the 1st place may i ask? wanna make sure my winch isnt routed the same way. i dont know anyone who fuses their winches, i havent even got my redarc fused like they say. calculated risk. '
I had all the winch cables together so they couldn't move but from the trip to Mundaring the other night, all the vibrations had caused one of the cables to move. Then some stage during the trip i must of hit my bar on something and the cable was jammed between bar & the body crushing the cable. NFI idea how the bar moved tho, i can't remember hitting any thing that hard  .
I don't think you will have the problem of the ARB moving...shitty xrox bar  maybe it's time to change bar's 
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zuk85
Joined: Sun Jul 05, 2009 11:30 pm Posts: 656 Location: Sunshine coast
Vehicle: 07 vvt jimny
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yess im glad i got and arb wnch bar for the jimny, ha ha ha ah ha anyways.... back to my problem corner 
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alien
Joined: Wed Mar 24, 2010 10:30 pm Posts: 16343 Location: Perth
Vehicle: '92 Sierra, 1.6efi, SPOA, 31s.
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monkey wrote: NFI idea how the bar moved tho, i can't remember hitting any thing that hard 
climbing up that rut near the middle mud hole when you were smashing the rear control arm mount.... when you reversed down you hit the bar on the passengers side wing bit pretty dam hard =)
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steak_knife

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Joined: Fri May 22, 2009 11:30 pm Posts: 21335 Location: Smart Ass Island
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alien wrote: monkey wrote: NFI idea how the bar moved tho, i can't remember hitting any thing that hard  climbing up that rut near the middle mud hole when you were smashing the rear control arm mount.... when you reversed down you hit the bar on the passengers side wing bit pretty dam hard =)
I do shit like that & not think it's a hard hit from the driver's seat....
Easy to do.
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monley

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Joined: Wed Nov 24, 2010 7:58 am Posts: 11092 Location: Mandurah.W.A.
Vehicle: 84 LWB NT
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steak_knife wrote: alien wrote: monkey wrote: NFI idea how the bar moved tho, i can't remember hitting any thing that hard  climbing up that rut near the middle mud hole when you were smashing the rear control arm mount.... when you reversed down you hit the bar on the passengers side wing bit pretty dam hard =) I do shit like that & not think it's a hard hit from the driver's seat.... Easy to do.
But you got a good bar stekky 
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steak_knife

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Joined: Fri May 22, 2009 11:30 pm Posts: 21335 Location: Smart Ass Island
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monley

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Joined: Wed Nov 24, 2010 7:58 am Posts: 11092 Location: Mandurah.W.A.
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 Posted: Sun Jan 01, 2012 12:15 am |
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steak_knife wrote:

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steak_knife

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Joined: Fri May 22, 2009 11:30 pm Posts: 21335 Location: Smart Ass Island
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 Posted: Sun Jan 01, 2012 12:16 am |
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 Tree in my way....... 
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monley

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Joined: Wed Nov 24, 2010 7:58 am Posts: 11092 Location: Mandurah.W.A.
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 Posted: Sun Jan 01, 2012 1:27 am |
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Scrawny

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Joined: Tue Jan 29, 2008 10:30 pm Posts: 10528 Location: Brissie
Vehicle: Popemobile
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 Posted: Sun Jan 01, 2012 1:30 am |
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monkey wrote: All fixed  thanks guys! Turns out the battery was fruked
Isn't that what everyone said? 
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monley

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Joined: Wed Nov 24, 2010 7:58 am Posts: 11092 Location: Mandurah.W.A.
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Scrawn wrote: monkey wrote: All fixed  thanks guys! Turns out the battery was fruked Isn't that what everyone said? 
Yes...but the battery was only 3months old hence the "  "
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Scales

az supporter
Joined: Mon May 30, 2011 9:28 am Posts: 2233 Location: Townsville
Vehicle: 03 Jim M13A no-vvt, Vinyl Spec
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The battery you say?
 Im shocked......
ok not that shocked. glad its fixed and hope you learnt a bit in the process.
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Scrawny

I live here!
Joined: Tue Jan 29, 2008 10:30 pm Posts: 10528 Location: Brissie
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monkey wrote: Scrawn wrote: monkey wrote: All fixed  thanks guys! Turns out the battery was fruked Isn't that what everyone said?  Yes...but the battery was only 3months old hence the "  "
That's what happens when you create a dead short
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steak_knife

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Joined: Fri May 22, 2009 11:30 pm Posts: 21335 Location: Smart Ass Island
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Scrawn wrote: monkey wrote: Scrawn wrote: monkey wrote: All fixed  thanks guys! Turns out the battery was fruked Isn't that what everyone said?  Yes...but the battery was only 3months old hence the "  " That's what happens when you create a dead shit

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zuk85
Joined: Sun Jul 05, 2009 11:30 pm Posts: 656 Location: Sunshine coast
Vehicle: 07 vvt jimny
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the ol dead shit aye 
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Scrawny

I live here!
Joined: Tue Jan 29, 2008 10:30 pm Posts: 10528 Location: Brissie
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zuk85 wrote: the ol dead shit aye 
Much better than live shit 
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monley

az supporter
Joined: Wed Nov 24, 2010 7:58 am Posts: 11092 Location: Mandurah.W.A.
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 Posted: Sun Jan 01, 2012 3:06 am |
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WTF are you guy's going on about? 
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MacDaddy

az supporter
Joined: Thu Mar 26, 2009 10:30 pm Posts: 10453 Location: Perth, Australia
Vehicle: Jeep
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 Posted: Sun Jan 01, 2012 3:11 am |
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royce wrote: FFS put some effort into running your cable properly, you realise you just missed your car burning to the ground dont you?
X 2
I dont think he does realise that... 
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