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Fatzook

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Joined: Sat Oct 27, 2007 11:30 pm Posts: 14977 Location: The Hills
Vehicle: Vitara, NGV
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 Posted: Sat May 05, 2012 9:23 pm |
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twitchy
Joined: Fri Jul 25, 2008 11:30 pm Posts: 1086 Location: Lightning Ridge
Vehicle: 1999 Jimny
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 Posted: Sat May 05, 2012 9:27 pm |
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Nope, but it bolts off & isn't an integral part of the case.
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Fatzook

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Joined: Sat Oct 27, 2007 11:30 pm Posts: 14977 Location: The Hills
Vehicle: Vitara, NGV
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 Posted: Sat May 05, 2012 9:46 pm |
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Is there a drive flange behind it? Or will I need to fab one.
Also, how many bikini models will I fit on the ute tray if I install a PTO? Lol
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twitchy
Joined: Fri Jul 25, 2008 11:30 pm Posts: 1086 Location: Lightning Ridge
Vehicle: 1999 Jimny
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Yes there is & you only need three bikini models.......... 1 for the camera & you do the math for the others 
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Fatzook

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Joined: Sat Oct 27, 2007 11:30 pm Posts: 14977 Location: The Hills
Vehicle: Vitara, NGV
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 Posted: Sun May 06, 2012 11:06 pm |
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SierraDan

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Joined: Fri Feb 04, 2011 10:55 pm Posts: 9347 Location: Newcastle
Vehicle: G13BB Jimny
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 Posted: Sun May 06, 2012 11:53 pm |
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Wow! What's an Atlas worth compared to that?
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Fatzook

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Joined: Sat Oct 27, 2007 11:30 pm Posts: 14977 Location: The Hills
Vehicle: Vitara, NGV
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 Posted: Mon May 07, 2012 12:25 am |
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SierraDan wrote: Wow! What's an Atlas worth compared to that? Dunno. But you essentially get a 4speed case. I would have absolutely NO use for 8.9:1 reduction in low/low. At 7000rpm Top speed in 5th would be 30km/h. 1st would be 7km/h 
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SierraDan

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Joined: Fri Feb 04, 2011 10:55 pm Posts: 9347 Location: Newcastle
Vehicle: G13BB Jimny
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 Posted: Mon May 07, 2012 1:04 am |
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They have different useable low range options. But the 1:1 high range is no good to you.
Would you really consider that much coin on something with pretty average duties?
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Fatzook

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Joined: Sat Oct 27, 2007 11:30 pm Posts: 14977 Location: The Hills
Vehicle: Vitara, NGV
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 Posted: Mon May 07, 2012 1:13 am |
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SierraDan wrote: They have different useable low range options. But the 1:1 high range is no good to you.
Would you really consider that much coin on something with pretty average duties? No. The underdrive would use the only PTO outlet on the case. I'd rather use the PTO to drive something I need..... Like a log splitter for camping  Or a hydraulic winch, Or a water cannon to soak the bikini girls on the tray 
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Fatzook

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Joined: Sat Oct 27, 2007 11:30 pm Posts: 14977 Location: The Hills
Vehicle: Vitara, NGV
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 Posted: Mon May 07, 2012 1:14 am |
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I'm going to have a look at 2 LT230's tomorrow. If one of them has the correct serial number it will be coming home with me.
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3cyl
Joined: Tue Jan 29, 2008 10:30 pm Posts: 2054 Location: Ipswich
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 Posted: Mon May 07, 2012 6:53 am |
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There are 2 main types of LT230, earlier ones were LT230R with roller bearings (and thrust bearings) on the intermediate shaft, and LT230T with tapered roller bearing intermediate shaft. My Defender 130 is '95 and ie the "T". It is also 1.41 : 1 high. Been a few years since I've had mine apart but the main thing to wear out is the thrust bearings behind the planetary gears in the diff. Pretty sure the 130s all were 1.4 but the manual I have in front of me isn't too specific in terms of what ratio is in what, but it seems the 90 and Disco were 1.222 and the 110 was 1.41.
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Highway-Star
Joined: Thu Apr 30, 2009 11:30 pm Posts: 4109 Location: Ipswich
Vehicle: LJ80V-II (a proper Stockman)
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Found this web site last night by accident (looking for something rather unrelated)... Might be useful when/if you need to rebuild one http://www.cgauer.com.br/lr/downloads/
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neofitou
Joined: Wed Mar 24, 2010 10:30 pm Posts: 1088 Location: Melbourne
Vehicle: 00 Jimny, 63 Haffy
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 Posted: Mon May 07, 2012 11:11 am |
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I was just going to use the sierra transfer case behind a J20>Aw4>SierraTC>70sDiffs>35s on my next build.. Should be similar to Dank's Rig for power, he's broken other things, not the transfer case.. Seems they j20>37-40s on lux or bigger diffs, but just with the uprated output shaft on the transfer case..
Can I ask why its not good enough? I might need convincing.
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Fatzook

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Joined: Sat Oct 27, 2007 11:30 pm Posts: 14977 Location: The Hills
Vehicle: Vitara, NGV
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 Posted: Mon May 07, 2012 12:20 pm |
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Thanks 3cyl and H-S. neofitou: Its simple maths mate. The sierra came out with 45kw at the flywheel. The J20 has just over twice that. Asking ANY gearbox to handle double the power/ torque is a big ask. Yes, there are some gearboxes out there that can, and regularly do handle this power, but if you look at the design brief that suzuki followed when making the sierra, big power and torque were never a consideration. The shafts, bearings and teeth are all very small, and the gear face is quite narrow. Add some reduction gears into the mix, and some of these attributes become worse still. I just think its a little unrealistic to expect the light weight sierra transfer to hold the power and torque of a J20. Sooner or later it WILL let you down. Driving style should also be considered I guess...... I like to lean on my cars, always have, always will. So chances are that my ute will see larger than legal tow loads from time to time, as well as the daily torture you are forced to put a vehicle through when it has tripple the factory power Call the LT230 insurance. 
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3cyl
Joined: Tue Jan 29, 2008 10:30 pm Posts: 2054 Location: Ipswich
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 Posted: Mon May 07, 2012 6:28 pm |
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They are a pretty weighty transfer, with the centre diff and also that they have 5 gears compared to the 4 in other units. I like the shift action and the low range without difflock is useful for maneuvering trailers on bitumin.
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twitchy
Joined: Fri Jul 25, 2008 11:30 pm Posts: 1086 Location: Lightning Ridge
Vehicle: 1999 Jimny
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 Posted: Mon May 07, 2012 7:11 pm |
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The other one I found on ebay is a 61D, 1.2:1, so close but no Banana...
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Fatzook

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Joined: Sat Oct 27, 2007 11:30 pm Posts: 14977 Location: The Hills
Vehicle: Vitara, NGV
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 Posted: Tue May 08, 2012 10:52 am |
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Went and had a look at 2 cases today. Both the wrong serial numbers Anyone know if Mick Garner still has heeps of Rangie junk? 
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3cyl
Joined: Tue Jan 29, 2008 10:30 pm Posts: 2054 Location: Ipswich
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I was there today, yep, still a bit of junk, LT230s even, most will be Disco but I'll ask, should see him later in the week.
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Fatzook

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Joined: Sat Oct 27, 2007 11:30 pm Posts: 14977 Location: The Hills
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 Posted: Tue May 08, 2012 4:33 pm |
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3cyl wrote: I was there today, yep, still a bit of junk, LT230s even, most will be Disco but I'll ask, should see him later in the week. Cheers looking for 25D 34D 43D 57D. Also need the centre diff. Some disco's between 2000-2005 didn't have a CDL I'm told.
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3cyl
Joined: Tue Jan 29, 2008 10:30 pm Posts: 2054 Location: Ipswich
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 Posted: Tue May 08, 2012 6:01 pm |
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Any there would most likely be late Rangie classic or series 1 Disco, all lockable but probably 1.2. Can't hurt to check though.
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tanshi

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Joined: Tue Jan 09, 2007 10:30 pm Posts: 7719 Location: Brisbane
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Fatzook

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Joined: Sat Oct 27, 2007 11:30 pm Posts: 14977 Location: The Hills
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 Posted: Fri May 11, 2012 2:19 pm |
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tanshi wrote: Yeah been watching that one for a week now. Wrong ratios though... Might buy it for mock-up anyway.
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3cyl
Joined: Tue Jan 29, 2008 10:30 pm Posts: 2054 Location: Ipswich
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 Posted: Fri May 11, 2012 6:09 pm |
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Sorry Fatz, Mick doesn't have any 1.4, even Haultech doesn't.
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Fatzook

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Joined: Sat Oct 27, 2007 11:30 pm Posts: 14977 Location: The Hills
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 Posted: Fri May 11, 2012 6:19 pm |
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3cyl wrote: Sorry Fatz, Mick doesn't have any 1.4, even Haultech doesn't. Pooh. Thanks for asking. 
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SierraDan

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Joined: Fri Feb 04, 2011 10:55 pm Posts: 9347 Location: Newcastle
Vehicle: G13BB Jimny
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How are you going with this Fatzook? Fatzook wrote: The LT230 has 3.321:1 low as standard in ALL cases. AND you can get gear reduction for them (Maxidrive) It seems they don't make the reduction gears anymore?
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Fatzook

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Joined: Sat Oct 27, 2007 11:30 pm Posts: 14977 Location: The Hills
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 Posted: Tue Jun 12, 2012 2:57 pm |
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SierraDan wrote: How are you going with this Fatzook? Fatzook wrote: The LT230 has 3.321:1 low as standard in ALL cases. AND you can get gear reduction for them (Maxidrive) It seems they don't make the reduction gears anymore? Maxidrive died years ago. MR Automotive took over maxidrive sales, but NFI what happened with production. Ashcroft on the UK sell gears. And everything else you could need for the LT230.
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twitchy
Joined: Fri Jul 25, 2008 11:30 pm Posts: 1086 Location: Lightning Ridge
Vehicle: 1999 Jimny
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 Posted: Tue Jun 12, 2012 3:21 pm |
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O.K. 2000 still had cdl just didnt have lever, Maxidrive will be back soon from MR Automotive.
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