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Saam

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Joined: Mon Jun 12, 2006 11:30 pm Posts: 2068 Location: Sunshine Coast
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 Posted: Sat Jul 18, 2009 2:24 am |
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Okay without shocks it does not travel any better, i have a coily, sigh, and it is tough as nails, unsigh, but even though my arms are now unbreakable my front end is stiff as all hell, it just doesn't move it all.
Royce once said something about drilling the poly bushes out so ?
i have been offered an x-link setup kinda of thing ?
i have the factory bushes i would like to put back in to see if that makes a difference ?
what the shit else could i do that keeps my sexy onroad handling?
but honestly it is pretty much static, it only flexes down hill with all the weight on the car, i had it on the hoist at my mates and unbolted one shock and even with our whole weight on the wheel it only moved like an inch or two further down
oh and i am poor and willing to defeat all the shitness of a coily so others can win in the future
Last edited by Saam on Sun Jul 26, 2009 4:24 pm, edited 1 time in total.
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Saam

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Joined: Mon Jun 12, 2006 11:30 pm Posts: 2068 Location: Sunshine Coast
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 Posted: Sat Jul 18, 2009 2:26 am |
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and whats the difference in the arm setup of the jimny that makes it flex better ????? i have the same upper mounts what the crap
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Saam

az supporter
Joined: Mon Jun 12, 2006 11:30 pm Posts: 2068 Location: Sunshine Coast
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 Posted: Sat Jul 18, 2009 2:32 am |
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atari4x4

az supporter
Joined: Mon Dec 11, 2006 10:30 pm Posts: 34842 Location: East Radelayed
Vehicle: SV420+SV620 Vitara's
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lol my vitara has more flex than that.... maybe you should go IFS? 
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Saam

az supporter
Joined: Mon Jun 12, 2006 11:30 pm Posts: 2068 Location: Sunshine Coast
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 Posted: Sat Jul 18, 2009 3:21 am |
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yeah see it is freaking sad lol so over lifting wheels like a mofo
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royce

omnipotent being
Joined: Sun Jun 11, 2006 11:30 pm Posts: 17216 Location: Pluto
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 Posted: Sat Jul 18, 2009 11:11 am |
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get some softer bushes
but anything to give more flex will probably make it handle worse
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want33s

az supporter
Joined: Fri Nov 16, 2007 10:30 pm Posts: 8134 Location: Sunshine Coast Qld
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 Posted: Sat Jul 18, 2009 1:27 pm |
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remove the chassis and fit a pre 95 leafy job... lol ha ha ha
Seriously though... Longer travel=longer arms, shocks and springs
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joeblow
Joined: Sat May 10, 2008 11:30 pm Posts: 3273 Location: melbourne
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 Posted: Sat Jul 18, 2009 2:35 pm |
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piss those freakin polly bushes off and use factory bonded bushes.
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Brett

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Joined: Tue May 27, 2008 11:30 pm Posts: 1791 Location: Central coast NSW
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do you still have sway bars in, what are the brake lines like when flexing?
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dank
Joined: Sat Apr 05, 2008 10:30 pm Posts: 1157 Location: VIC
Vehicle: WR250F/Jeep XJ
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pull out the front bolt on the radius arm on the driver side diff mount. Flex it up and see what happens. I"m guessing you will get maybe a couple of inches extra out of it.
coily's just aren't designed for flex. arms are too short. I'd be looking at lockers if you want to improve offroad ability.
Any radius arm setup will bind up on flex but it will keep it happy on the road. Maybe think about extending your radius arms and moving your chassis end mounts towards the centre of the vehicle.
I"d hate to say it but if you have the $$ buy a wrecked Wrangler and install the running gear into your coily. PLenty strong enough for a light sierra and 5 link front end will flex pretty well. 
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bigrig91
Joined: Mon May 11, 2009 11:30 pm Posts: 1308 Location: Redcliffe
Vehicle: 96 LWB Vit, 2.5L powerhouse
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im over coilys mate. constant trouble with mine nothing but money spent on fixing it. couldnt go wheeling today cause it decided to have a spaz attack. boooo. sorry im bringing negativity into your post by the way hahaha
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Saam

az supporter
Joined: Mon Jun 12, 2006 11:30 pm Posts: 2068 Location: Sunshine Coast
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ive lost my sway bar and brake lines are fine, i'm way past that point..
i think my best bet will be try get my factory bushes back in, it's really the only issue i have with my car there is nothing really left specifically coily related to go wrong. It's not so much an amount of travel issue it's a how easy it is to get it to travel, i suppose the roll stiffness or whatever you call it.
the poly bushes are good in the rear, makes it a bit more stable uphills, just need to coax those stupid control arm bolts out now 
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zukenutter

az supporter
Joined: Sun Feb 08, 2009 10:30 pm Posts: 9045 Location: Brisneyland
Vehicle: 2006 Jimny JLX
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Will be interesting to compare with the Jimnys on Saturday. Seems strange.
I have found that the Jimny flexes quite well although the front is hindered by urethane caster bushes. I think that coils should easily outperform leaves in stock form and both have their own limitations as they're modified.
Will be interesting to have a good look at it.
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Fatzook

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Joined: Sat Oct 27, 2007 11:30 pm Posts: 14977 Location: The Hills
Vehicle: Vitara, NGV
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dank wrote: coily's just aren't designed for flex. arms are too short.
There is nothing wrong with short arms. I have 80 series upper arms used as lowers, and GQ upper arms used as uppers on my linked sierra, and the range of movement is insane.
Its just the radius arms with poly bushes binding up.....
As you said its crap design 
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Saam

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Joined: Mon Jun 12, 2006 11:30 pm Posts: 2068 Location: Sunshine Coast
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zukenutter wrote: Will be interesting to compare with the Jimnys on Saturday. Seems strange.
I have found that the Jimny flexes quite well although the front is hindered by urethane caster bushes. I think that coils should easily outperform leaves in stock form and both have their own limitations as they're modified.
Will be interesting to have a good look at it.
hopefully i should have the factory rubber jobs back in there by saturday my shocks are still a bit short but they will get replaced when some money shows up.
sam
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zukenutter

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Joined: Sun Feb 08, 2009 10:30 pm Posts: 9045 Location: Brisneyland
Vehicle: 2006 Jimny JLX
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What about replacing the bushes with hiem joints?
Won't be very nice on road though.
Could your spring rate be too heavy? What springs are you running?
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Saam

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Joined: Mon Jun 12, 2006 11:30 pm Posts: 2068 Location: Sunshine Coast
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 Posted: Wed Jul 22, 2009 8:31 pm |
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springs are heavy but that would not effect down travel so much, those heim joints are way to expensive and also i don't think they work so great in this arm setup.
I have honda crv 50mm lifted rears all around lol, did not think about jimny springs at the time because i originally had a longer coil over strut in the front/
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Rockhopper
Joined: Sun Jun 22, 2008 11:30 pm Posts: 1265 Location: Chipping Norton
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Saam wrote: I have honda crv 50mm lifted rears all around lol, did not think about jimny springs at the time because i originally had a longer coil over strut in the front/
Someone actually makes lifted spring for a CRV?!? 
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Saam

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Joined: Mon Jun 12, 2006 11:30 pm Posts: 2068 Location: Sunshine Coast
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yeah pedders 
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2stroker
Joined: Sun Sep 07, 2008 11:30 pm Posts: 2689 Location: North Brisbane
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I reckon those springs would be way to stiff as well, a CRV weighs around 1600kg and a soft top sierra is under 1000kg, you don't have the weight to flex them.
Get six 100kg front rowers in the coily and it might start to flex those springs.
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Saam

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Joined: Mon Jun 12, 2006 11:30 pm Posts: 2068 Location: Sunshine Coast
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 Posted: Thu Jul 23, 2009 2:56 am |
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they don't seem to be that stiff
compress good in the rear.. and the front is heavier

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Mike

lesspostingmorewheeling
Joined: Tue May 06, 2008 11:30 pm Posts: 2236 Location: Under Down Under
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you're supposed to be in the car not under it when you're driving
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zuk85
Joined: Sun Jul 05, 2009 11:30 pm Posts: 656 Location: Sunshine coast
Vehicle: 07 vvt jimny
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love ya zook mate  :D i see ya getting around all the time i remembered ya number plates lol.
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paulv
Joined: Mon Jun 01, 2009 11:30 pm Posts: 331 Location: Adelaide
Vehicle: SJ80
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My coily has rock friggin hard suspension in it also.
Apparently it has King springs in it.
I think they are probably an inch or so longer than standard, and hard enough to support 3 tonne!
Anyone managed to acquire a set of soft coil springs, that they are happy to recommend?
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Saam

az supporter
Joined: Mon Jun 12, 2006 11:30 pm Posts: 2068 Location: Sunshine Coast
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zuk85 wrote: love ya zook mate  :D i see ya getting around all the time i remembered ya number plates lol.
thanks mate! what are you drivin ive probly seen it?
also paul i am surprised your kings are so heavy duty the ones i used to have where hopeless it used to bottom out on my all the time. The springs i have in mine provide a good ride.
I think that the coily "Mike" has is running jimny springs...
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Rockhopper
Joined: Sun Jun 22, 2008 11:30 pm Posts: 1265 Location: Chipping Norton
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Hey Saam whats the 88 in the number plate stand for?? It's not your year of birth is it??
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Scrawny

I live here!
Joined: Tue Jan 29, 2008 10:30 pm Posts: 10528 Location: Brissie
Vehicle: Popemobile
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Rockhopper wrote: Hey Saam whats the 88 in the number plate stand for?? It's not your year of birth is it??
I would say so 
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Rockhopper
Joined: Sun Jun 22, 2008 11:30 pm Posts: 1265 Location: Chipping Norton
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ScrawnC wrote: Rockhopper wrote: Hey Saam whats the 88 in the number plate stand for?? It's not your year of birth is it?? I would say so 
Holy crap. Thanx for making me feel old mate. 
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zukenutter

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Joined: Sun Feb 08, 2009 10:30 pm Posts: 9045 Location: Brisneyland
Vehicle: 2006 Jimny JLX
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I'm old enough to have a child born in 88
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Saam

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Joined: Mon Jun 12, 2006 11:30 pm Posts: 2068 Location: Sunshine Coast
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 Posted: Thu Jul 23, 2009 9:57 pm |
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yeah man 1988, 21st birthday next month
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