[Marko_SJ]

atari4x4 wrote:

the conditions stated by jonno as a reliable choice

Out of curiosity, what vehicles / engines do tolerate that?

Sorry, do not know the first thing about that scene. It seems like a tall ask on all parts of the car to me. Makes more sense than a burnout comp tho.

[jonno_racing]

JrZook wrote:

jonno_racing wrote:

Just out of intrest what are you guys basing your opinions on?

4x4 applications.... Lets look at another perspective, how long do you reckon a G series engine would last with the abuse of drift/track/racing compared to the "weak" ca18??

4wd applications do not exist for these motors! so you can't really compare them.
Weaker is the word! There not a bad donk, sr is simply better
G16B has the highest failure rate for head testing of any motor to come from Japan. This comes from a engine builder not me! So I'd say not well in comparison to a ca or sr
And once again both are not suited to a zook

[atari4x4]

droverdave wrote:

I think this discussion is a waste of time.

yet you made this statement

droverdave wrote:

How about some actual real technical examples to back up these rediculously blanket statements such as "SRs are unreliable".

[atari4x4]

The_Amateur wrote:

atari4x4 wrote:

the conditions stated by jonno as a reliable choice

Out of curiosity, what vehicles / engines do tolerate that?

Sorry, do not know the first thing about that scene. It seems like a tall ask on all parts of the car to me. Makes more sense than a burnout comp tho.

not many

[jonno_racing]

atari4x4 wrote:

The_Amateur wrote:

atari4x4 wrote:

the conditions stated by jonno as a reliable choice

Out of curiosity, what vehicles / engines do tolerate that?

Sorry, do not know the first thing about that scene. It seems like a tall ask on all parts of the car to me. Makes more sense than a burnout comp tho.

not many

f10a's love it

[Jameszook]

13bs love it at 9000rpms

would be awesum in a 4wd cos its light and powerful

[Marko_SJ]

atari4x4 wrote:

The_Amateur wrote:

atari4x4 wrote:

the conditions stated by jonno as a reliable choice

Out of curiosity, what vehicles / engines do tolerate that?

Sorry, do not know the first thing about that scene. It seems like a tall ask on all parts of the car to me. Makes more sense than a burnout comp tho.

not many

Always wanted an import but stayed clear for reasons such as this

I swear when I was doing my reading on these, I read SR was better than CA, but I am probably wrong and don't wanna be held to it

Jonno / Phil / cuzzy: For how long though, and I'd argue that you're still going slower than a g13a

[tanshi]

power in an offroading car is pretty pointless if your geared right.

i run an engine with less that 20kw but im damb sure i havent found anything to stop it yet.

[sideways]

tanshi wrote:

power in an offroading car is pretty pointless if your geared right.

i run an engine with less that 20kw but im damb sure i havent found anything to stop it yet.

That depends what you do with it. My LJ was the most useless thing ever in the dunes because it just didn't have the power to climb stuff.

[tanshi]

sorry i disagree. my old mans LJ50 was unstopable on dunes, used to literally drive circles around powerful cars on sand blows on frazer.

[JrZook]

Tanshi Ive seen both you and waynes 2 smokes struggle in some areas (not many at all) where wheel speed is required, where you require a higher gear but the poor lil donk just doesn't have to torque to pull it because its not revving to near infinity

Theoretically you could gear it way down like 1000:1 and use pedal power if its a high traction surface and doesn't require dynamic wheel speed or response.

[tanshi]

not any more. i now have that little bit more torque with elec ignition and in those limited positions (mud and loose sand)i can use 3rd gear.

my point was as above that power (in big amounts) which is what i meant is pointless.

the only reason i can see needing power is to go fast.

[jonno_racing]

tanshi wrote:

not any more. i now have that little bit more torque with elec ignition and in those limited positions (mud and loose sand)i can use 3rd gear.

my point was as above that power (in big amounts) which is what i meant is pointless.

the only reason i can see needing power is to go fast.

X2
although i have more power than you in richy, its MORE than enough to drive pretty much anything i point it at... even some pretty deep mud
big power is just stupid.

[3cyl]

JrZook wrote:

Tanshi Ive seen both you and waynes 2 smokes struggle in some areas (not many at all) where wheel speed is required, where you require a higher gear but the poor lil donk just doesn't have to torque to pull it because its not revving to near infinity

Theoretically you could gear it way down like 1000:1 and use pedal power if its a high traction surface and doesn't require dynamic wheel speed or response.

You'd be talking about greasy clay slopes then! That's Annette's weakness for sure. With 6.5s, 4.8 diffs and 32's 1st and 2nd are too low but 3rd is too tall. With power under the skinny pedal it probably wouldn't matter. Other than the greasy slopes though it doesn't matter anyhow. (having only 20 kw that is)

[Brenno]

jonno_racing wrote:

I spend a lot of time with the drift boys, they won't touch ca's any more. They just don't handle hard times or abuse! And even in standard form pick up bearings due to many issues!
Both sump setups are wrong and shallow!
And driveline won't take it at all!!

The CA sump was not shallow at all, it was probably just as big as the G13a sump actually.

The reason why CA's copped such a bad rap with oil problems was due to the oil gallery design in the head not allowing it to flow back into the sump. However this only happens when at high rpm for a sustained period of time. It also happens to the RB series. There are fixes for it. Cuzz you may just have a bad rap with spinning bearings, I swear you've spun more bearings that I have had hot dinners.

I would say that a CA motor is a great engine in a Zook (even if non turbo), if you could keep the driveline up to it. It was the best fun in the sand, felt like you were driving a boat and coming up on the plane. It could easily eat Tcases, uni joints, springs, diffs, axles for lunch. I drove it like a pussy but still managed to break shit when I was negligent. It was good fun while it lasted and I was proud I made it happen, however I am after reliability now, and without spending a shit tonne on turning the Zook away from being a Zook I had to opt for something larger.
I can now tow more, use less fuel (and less expensive fuel), go further, take the Mrs. Yes I may get stuck more in ruts or have to winch more often, however you can't even get to ruts when your cars parked in the shed broken....

[Marko_SJ]

Brenno wrote:

jonno_racing wrote:

I spend a lot of time with the drift boys, they won't touch ca's any more. They just don't handle hard times or abuse! And even in standard form pick up bearings due to many issues!
Both sump setups are wrong and shallow!
And driveline won't take it at all!!

The reason why CA's copped such a bad rap with oil problems was due to the oil gallery design in the head not allowing it to flow back into the sump. However this only happens when at high rpm for a sustained period of time. It also happens to the RB series. There are fixes for it. Cuzz you may just have a bad rap with spinning bearings, I swear you've spun more bearings that I have had hot dinners.

I can think of at least one other engine that does this for a fact, so not just a CA problem, just a thrashing your car problem.

[Gwagensteve]

Re Brenno's post- that's the big difference. I can absolutely hate on my driveline in VIC conditions with my g16b. I know my driveline wouldn't take twice the torque, and that would take me away from a siuzuki based driveline. In any case, more torque would only mean taller gearing and more wheel speed, which is rarely all that helpful.

Steve.

[Marko_SJ]

Hmm. Silvia's did come in an auto non turbo, the cheapest most unpopular type. Not that I ever plan on doing this, but for discussion's sake is there any reason that couldn't be put into a zook.

[tanshi]

in all honesty im not sure why you would put a ca18 in unless you were doing a ca18det.
for the extra work a J20a will fit much better and have similar power to a ca18de

[Gwagensteve]

None at all. Transfer would have to move back though unless you could work out how to build a hybrid case auto with a CA bell and vitara guts/case- his kind of makes it an LWB proposition only AFAIK, Not impossible I think, but tough. I think tanshi is right though, a j20 would make more sense unless you went ca18det.

[Marko_SJ]

Only asked to get words onto paper, so to speak.

[atari4x4]

in the turbo g13b thread there was talk about using the engine & aw4 auto from the kia sportage... would still rather a zook engine, just so you don't have that stigma of running kia bits.

[jono165]

atari4x4 wrote:

in the turbo g13b thread there was talk about using the engine & aw4 auto from the kia sportage... would still rather a zook engine, just so you don't have that stigma of running kia bits.

Myself and a couple of others investigated this, the problem is the FE-DOHC/FE3 motor has a cast iron block which isn't ideal, especially if its going to be engineered as these a big weight increase when combined with the auto. As far as dimensions go it looked to be a good fit, and kia's come up quite cheap. I believe the CA engines are all cast iron blocks too.

A Suzuki motor is the best donor, theyre all alloy so wont affect the balance of the car too much, and its nice to keep it all Suzuki.