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Damo

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Joined: Sat Jul 22, 2006 11:30 pm Posts: 4661 Location: Brisbane
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I have a mill/drill which takes MT3 arbor. I have a 13mm Jacobs keyless chuck (decent one) which I put a holesaw arbor in as I was using a 54mm holesaw. So I drilled my holes no dramas, but when I came to undo the chuck, the bastard thing was TIGHT.
Short of going at it with multigrips  how the hell do I get the bastard thing undone???? 
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royce

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Joined: Sun Jun 11, 2006 11:30 pm Posts: 17216 Location: Pluto
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I remember learning how to do it at school, but it was a long time ago  , maybe punch it loose with a drift?
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Damo

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Joined: Sat Jul 22, 2006 11:30 pm Posts: 4661 Location: Brisbane
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 Posted: Mon Jan 17, 2011 12:19 am |
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royce wrote: I remember learning how to do it at school, but it was a long time ago  , maybe punch it loose with a drift?
I can get the chuck out of the mill (give the drawbar a whack), i just cant undo the chuck so I can get the holesaw out.
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eXc450
Joined: Tue Sep 21, 2010 9:40 pm Posts: 268 Location: Newcastle, NSW
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 Posted: Mon Jan 17, 2011 12:30 am |
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if you can get the chuck off, can you use a vice + mutli grip/vice grip?
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Damo

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Joined: Sat Jul 22, 2006 11:30 pm Posts: 4661 Location: Brisbane
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eXc450 wrote: if you can get the chuck off, can you use a vice + mutli grip/vice grip?
I could, but I don't want to mess up my chuck using multigrips on it!!!
Maybe some alloy or copper shim wrapped around it would protect it?
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eXc450
Joined: Tue Sep 21, 2010 9:40 pm Posts: 268 Location: Newcastle, NSW
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 Posted: Mon Jan 17, 2011 12:50 am |
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it's gonna look bad in 5 years time anyways... :p you could try a cloth... or search you tube....there are tips on ones with keys...couldnt see anything for keyless...bit of a silly idea IMO except on a hand drill
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BlueSuzy

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Joined: Sun May 04, 2008 11:30 pm Posts: 9716 Location: NSW
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alloy or copper and vice/vicegrips/stilson/pipe jaws/hammer/bin
I HATE keyless chucks for that reason.
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royce

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Joined: Sun Jun 11, 2006 11:30 pm Posts: 17216 Location: Pluto
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oops I missed the keyless part, chisel into teh side 
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Damo

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Joined: Sat Jul 22, 2006 11:30 pm Posts: 4661 Location: Brisbane
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 Posted: Mon Jan 17, 2011 12:59 am |
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I have a feeling these chucks tighten as you use them, and the leverage a holesaw gives is why it is SO tight.
Oops 
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BlueSuzy

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Joined: Sun May 04, 2008 11:30 pm Posts: 9716 Location: NSW
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They only get worse as the get older too..
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Damo

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Joined: Sat Jul 22, 2006 11:30 pm Posts: 4661 Location: Brisbane
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Did some more Googling, aparantly the way to go is hold it in a vice with soft jaws, then use a strap wrench to undo.
WTF is a strap wrench, yeah, I asked the same thing.
Will have a crack tonight, I think I have some aluminium scrap to use as soft jaws, i'll try to cobble together a strap wrench from old seatbelt material.
I hope it works coz that Jacobs chuck (precision model) won't be cheap to replace!
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BlueSuzy

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ball

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Joined: Wed Oct 22, 2008 10:30 pm Posts: 4673 Location: Katherine
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 Posted: Mon Jan 17, 2011 1:54 am |
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Try an oil filter strap if you have it.
A decent keyless chuck actually has a couple of holes that you can use a C spanner to tighten or loosen the thing.
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Damo

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Joined: Sat Jul 22, 2006 11:30 pm Posts: 4661 Location: Brisbane
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ball wrote: Try an oil filter strap if you have it.
A decent keyless chuck actually has a couple of holes that you can use a C spanner to tighten or loosen the thing.
I don't remember seeing c spanner holes but i'll have another look tonight.
I was pretty sure ball would post in here and was expecting the first words of balls post to be "you f*cking idiot" 
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ball

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Joined: Wed Oct 22, 2008 10:30 pm Posts: 4673 Location: Katherine
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Damo wrote: ball wrote: Try an oil filter strap if you have it.
A decent keyless chuck actually has a couple of holes that you can use a C spanner to tighten or loosen the thing. I don't remember seeing c spanner holes but i'll have another look tonight. I was pretty sure ball would post in here and was expecting the first words of balls post to be "you f*cking idiot" 
nope, I do that shit all the time. The difference is I know I have a spanner to undo the bastard.
I don't know how hard your chuck is but you may be able to drill some holes in the side like these ones.

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stocker
Joined: Wed Dec 08, 2010 7:16 am Posts: 941 Location: Shidoni!
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 Posted: Mon Jan 17, 2011 5:43 am |
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D-Clamp? thats how i get holesaws out of the drill when they get stuck at work...
doesn't mess the chuck up either 
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Damo

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Joined: Sat Jul 22, 2006 11:30 pm Posts: 4661 Location: Brisbane
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 Posted: Mon Jan 17, 2011 5:46 am |
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stocker wrote: D-Clamp? thats how i get holesaws out of the drill when they get stuck at work... doesn't mess the chuck up either 
What's a D-clamp? never come across one of them
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stocker
Joined: Wed Dec 08, 2010 7:16 am Posts: 941 Location: Shidoni!
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Thats a d Clamp 
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appsie
Joined: Sun Apr 20, 2008 11:30 pm Posts: 2225
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Fluffy
Joined: Thu Jul 19, 2007 11:30 pm Posts: 892 Location: Picton, NSW
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dude dont use multi grips ..just a 3 inch g clamp.. a lot less brutal on the knurled surface . one of my fkn apprentices put a vice grip on mine.. i near killed him. and still might
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Damo

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Joined: Sat Jul 22, 2006 11:30 pm Posts: 4661 Location: Brisbane
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 Posted: Mon Jan 17, 2011 6:27 am |
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Seems like this is a fairly common thing, I don't feel like such a dickhead now
Thanks for the tips guys.
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stocker
Joined: Wed Dec 08, 2010 7:16 am Posts: 941 Location: Shidoni!
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 Posted: Mon Jan 17, 2011 6:37 am |
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ah my bad, g clamp  ... its a fitting tool. im an electrician  ... forgive the stupidness we work with our hands in the air 
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TZAR

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Joined: Tue Aug 01, 2006 11:30 pm Posts: 3461 Location: licking some windows
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I destroyed one with a grinder to get a drill bit out.
$30 ozito drill that burnt out and had a good 12.5mm drill bit in it so I cut the thing open with a cut off wheel
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TZAR

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 Posted: Mon Jan 17, 2011 8:05 am |
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since you have a mill drill just machine some flats in it
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kenn
Joined: Tue Nov 11, 2008 10:30 pm Posts: 1202 Location: Melbourne
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 Posted: Mon Jan 17, 2011 8:33 am |
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Maybe some heat could help..
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shep
Joined: Thu Mar 29, 2007 11:30 pm Posts: 14498 Location: Here there everywhere
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flog it with a big hammer until it comes out.
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kenn
Joined: Tue Nov 11, 2008 10:30 pm Posts: 1202 Location: Melbourne
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 Posted: Mon Jan 17, 2011 8:51 am |
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shep wrote: flog it with a big hammer until it comes out.
Yeah that should generate some heat 
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Teracis
Joined: Sat Dec 11, 2010 10:03 pm Posts: 2261 Location: Gold Coast
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Was going to suggest the strap/strap wrench.
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ball

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Joined: Wed Oct 22, 2008 10:30 pm Posts: 4673 Location: Katherine
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Polar_Bear
Joined: Sat Aug 12, 2006 11:30 pm Posts: 2511 Location: Adelaide SA
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 Posted: Mon Jan 17, 2011 10:31 am |
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i just use multi grips on mine at work, and put the drill in reverse... but i'm not overly attached to it 
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