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Deego
Joined: Fri Mar 23, 2012 11:04 am Posts: 187
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I'm changing my sump gasket and I'm wondering whats the best sealant to use
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want33s

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Deego
Joined: Fri Mar 23, 2012 11:04 am Posts: 187
Vehicle: Suzuki sierra
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 Posted: Tue Jul 03, 2012 8:09 pm |
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How hard is it to change a sump gasket.do you put the sealant both sides of the gasket.
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atari4x4

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there is no gasket used on suzuki sumps only the sealant...
clean both surfaces so they're spotless, apply a bead around one of the flanges (engine or sump) & around the bolt holes, let it tack off slightly, then refit the sump.
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Deego
Joined: Fri Mar 23, 2012 11:04 am Posts: 187
Vehicle: Suzuki sierra
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 Posted: Tue Jul 03, 2012 8:18 pm |
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Why do they sell the gasket then
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royce

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Joined: Sun Jun 11, 2006 11:30 pm Posts: 17216 Location: Pluto
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atari4x4 wrote: there is no gasket used on suzuki sumps only the sealant...
clean both surfaces so they're spotless, apply a bead around one of the flanges (engine or sump) & around the bolt holes, let it tack off slightly, then refit the sump. there is a cork gasket available for 8 valve engines
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atari4x4

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royce wrote: atari4x4 wrote: there is no gasket used on suzuki sumps only the sealant...
clean both surfaces so they're spotless, apply a bead around one of the flanges (engine or sump) & around the bolt holes, let it tack off slightly, then refit the sump. there is a cork gasket available for 8 valve engines sorry boss, didn't realise that there was one for the 8 valve, i was recalling this post of losfers & his hate of cork gaskets... losfer wrote: on a side note , i absolutely hate cork gaskets , i prefer a high temp rtv silicone myself , i am that confident , that i would use a silicone , let it cure , then remove all the bolts and drive around .
most suzukis left the factory with silicone (3 bond) as a sump gasket. when you go to remove the sump from the engine it takes quite some force.
the only time i will ever use a cork gasket is in a "in car situation" where theres a possibility of scraping some of the silicon on something else and compromising the seal , in this case i will use a cork gasket that is glued to the sump using contact adhesive , you should never use a silicon sealant with a cork gasket.
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Deego
Joined: Fri Mar 23, 2012 11:04 am Posts: 187
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Can ya get away with one for a 1.3l serria.by the way I know this might be a silly question but what do you mean bead.
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atari4x4

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when you squeeze the tube & the stuff comes out like a worm... that's a bead. 
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stockman

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Suzi Store list a cork gasket for the 16v engine, but when ordered they send a 8v gasket 
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Deego
Joined: Fri Mar 23, 2012 11:04 am Posts: 187
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Can I get away with just putting the sealant on.some people say you don't need the gasket.
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SierraDan

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Yesss
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Deego
Joined: Fri Mar 23, 2012 11:04 am Posts: 187
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Deego
Joined: Fri Mar 23, 2012 11:04 am Posts: 187
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Can you also smear the sealant around the sump or you have to do that bead apply.
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BlueSuzy

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Has to be enough so when you bolt the sump on, the silicone squishes and seals a good amount on both sides.
Both sides must be clean of oil.
Most of my oil gaskets go in the bin to run silicone only.
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squibby
Joined: Wed May 11, 2011 3:13 am Posts: 645 Location: Brisbane
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This threads kinda been talked to death already, but I can vouch for the Locktite product pictured above and comes with clear instructions on how to apply.
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sideways

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I rebuilt a 202 Holden Red motor once. Someone had used silicone instead of the cork gasket for the sump, bits of silicone had separated off and partially blocked the oil pickup. The bearings were nicely down to the copper. I like cork. Cork you idiot, not cock. 
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SierraDan

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A mates 253 had the same issue with the silicon.
But for a Sierra motor it works just fine.
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Jackson
Joined: Mon Apr 04, 2011 5:56 am Posts: 559 Location: Newcastle
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sideways wrote: I rebuilt a 202 Holden Red motor once. Someone had used silicone instead of the cork gasket for the sump, bits of silicone had separated off and partially blocked the oil pickup. The bearings were nicely down to the copper.
I like cork. Seen the same in a mates hilux motor The problem is people must think they need to use the whole tube for a thermostat housing. 
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2stroker
Joined: Sun Sep 07, 2008 11:30 pm Posts: 2689 Location: North Brisbane
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No the problem is that there are numerous silicone sealants but not all are designed to be used where oil is in play, if you use the correct one you will not have this problem.
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Deego
Joined: Fri Mar 23, 2012 11:04 am Posts: 187
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 Posted: Sat Jul 07, 2012 9:45 am |
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Could you tell us the right one to use mate.
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want33s

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want33s wrote: 
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Deego
Joined: Fri Mar 23, 2012 11:04 am Posts: 187
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 Posted: Sat Jul 07, 2012 9:52 am |
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And these are the ones where oil is in play
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Deego
Joined: Fri Mar 23, 2012 11:04 am Posts: 187
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 Posted: Sat Jul 07, 2012 9:55 am |
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Sorry I mean and these sealants good for what 2strocker commented before
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want33s

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Deego wrote: And these are the ones where oil is in play It says on the packet on the right.."OUTSTANDING OIL RESISTANCE". Do you really think I'd recommend you use an unsuitable product?
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Deego
Joined: Fri Mar 23, 2012 11:04 am Posts: 187
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 Posted: Sat Jul 07, 2012 10:01 am |
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No sorry mate.thanks for that
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Deego
Joined: Fri Mar 23, 2012 11:04 am Posts: 187
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 Posted: Tue Jul 10, 2012 1:49 pm |
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I know you can glue the gasket to what's good glue to use
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zukmeista
Joined: Sun Mar 22, 2009 10:30 pm Posts: 1273 Location: Whangarei,N.Z.
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Deego wrote: I know you can glue the gasket to what's good glue to use Seriously, are you retarded? USE SOME GODDAMN RTV SILICONE THAT IS OIL RESISTANT!!! 
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tim80z

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Deego wrote: I know you can glue the gasket to what's good glue to use want33s wrote: - Tim.
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Deego
Joined: Fri Mar 23, 2012 11:04 am Posts: 187
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 Posted: Tue Jul 10, 2012 4:42 pm |
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Sorry what i mean is People use a Contact adhesive rather then silicon to glue the gasket on
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